partridge
- 01 May 2007 15:26
- 989 of 3050
Cynic - Difficult to gauge days outstanding when sales growing so quickly, but on the face of it year end debtors roughly equal to final quarter 2006 sales i.e.about 90 days. Don't think this is too unusual in Far East (willing to stand corrected by someone in the current know, six years since I was last involved). As above, gross margin and stock of more concern IMHO.
Alleyne
- 01 May 2007 18:04
- 990 of 3050
Shorters need to be very quick on their feet here, as their opportunity will probably only last a few days before the brokers' reccs from Monday's CC arrive. The rate at which Renesola is expanding capacity, production and sales is throwing off the normal effects of inventory and debtor settlement.
ptholden
- 01 May 2007 19:47
- 991 of 3050
I see the advanced ramping force has arrived from the other side. I was having a read of the ADVFN thread last night, the shorters on MAM got a few mentions - LoL
goldfinger
- 02 May 2007 02:13
- 992 of 3050
No doubt the Broker loons of certain houses will puff this one up again come monday and after, but the fact is and Ive maintained this all along that the company as a piss poor balance sheet and doesnt seem able to generate cash.
Yep its growing like topsy, but its the management of that growth that investors need to look into rather than the froth created by the paid broker houses.
Greyhound
- 02 May 2007 15:01
- 993 of 3050
Well we're bang on 515p and all the ducks lined up in a row....
Alleyne
- 02 May 2007 17:15
- 994 of 3050
goldfinger "...and doesnt seem able to generate cash."
I think you might mean free cash. They are throwing off cash like billyho but they are spending it on property construction, saws (top quality stuff from Switzerland) and furnaces. It's coming in fast and going out fast on production capability because demand is so strong. I can understand anyone feeling frightened about the pace of things here. It will be too hot for many.
partridge
- 02 May 2007 17:34
- 995 of 3050
Alleyne - you are looking through rose tinted spectacles. Generation of cash imo (and I suspect GF and most others) is taken to mean cash produced from operating activities i.e before any capex on property, equipment etc. Free cash is after those things. In the 6 months to June 2006 Sola had operating cash surplus of $6.5M. In the three months to Sept, that changed to operating cash outflow of $7M and if my maths is correct (numbers a bit trickier to work out) in last three months of last year that operating cash outflow was 13.7M. Glad I am not a holder (had considered it a month or two back, but decided to wait). Not a shorter either, not my style.
Alleyne
- 02 May 2007 17:40
- 996 of 3050
partridge, we're saying exactly the same thing about cashflow. I can see why you are concerned about the movement of cash and understand completely why you are not in. I can assure you there are no rose-tints on my nose. I would not dream of calling you a shorter and have not done so. Good luck with your investments in other areas.
partridge
- 02 May 2007 17:43
- 997 of 3050
Fair comment Alleyne - I will now watch with interest over next few weeks!
goldfinger
- 02 May 2007 23:21
- 998 of 3050
Alleyene... I stand by my earlier post....
goldfinger - 27 Apr 2007 10:52 - 945 of 997
Well after wading through all the puffery at the top of the accounts if one looks at the cash flow statement theres nothing there that as changed from quater three.
Cash outflow on working operations of just over 14 million. And a ever rising inventory.
Little wonder they need further banking arrangements on top of the bond issue.
Some across the road are not looking at the finer detail. ENDS.
Remember its cash that counts.
salford
- 03 May 2007 00:09
- 999 of 3050
GF, but you've been singing the same song since 150. A quite appalling call if you ask me.
cynic
- 03 May 2007 08:18
- 1000 of 3050
well i haven't though i accept that it took some persausion to get me into this stock intially ..... having done very well when it was on its way up, and being told i was an ass or was for banking my profits when i did, i am now short at 544 and very glad to be so, with a target perhaps of +/-450
Greyhound
- 03 May 2007 12:06
- 1003 of 3050
For me the 440p is the place to test for the real support at 400p
moneyplus
- 03 May 2007 12:53
- 1004 of 3050
oh dear! I'm very relieved I switched some into TMC and VIY yesterday--I still have a sizeable holding though. It's difficult to buy many online so I suspect good news is coming soon and the mms are holding onto stock. only my opinion ever the optimist!!
cynic
- 03 May 2007 13:34
- 1005 of 3050
M+ .... no rush to add that's for sure!
ptholden
- 03 May 2007 15:57
- 1007 of 3050
On its way to at least 440, probably 400.
Why would the MMs be hanging onto stock?
cynic
- 03 May 2007 16:07
- 1008 of 3050
because they still can't get anyone to take it off their hands!