for more information about stanelco click on the links.

driver's research page link
http://www.moneyam.com/InvestorsRoom/posts.php?tid=7681#lastread
website link
http://www.stanelco.co.uk/index.htm

same thing

Thanks Paul for yours accurate researches. Ignore all the bashers

Paranoia? I'm really Sham/ii.
Just making fun of Paul; thanks for falling for it. :)

Sorry Paul. ;)

Even deeper Bos?

Thank Goodness, reasoned debate returns and I don't get slated.
Still believe long-term and as stated I am still in but reduced my holding taking some profits. The total story is unfolding really well but I am keen that potential new investors don't get carried away with hype in the same way that a "walmart greenseal deal" took the sp to 30p only for many people when it didn't materialise to have lost a lot of money either with CFD's, sold at loss deliberately or triggered stop-losses. I stated a few weeks ago that I believe that Starpol will be the making of SEO and still believe that but lets not assume that it will be announced in October in a mega-bucks deal for SEO. Greenseal had the same potential but believe me it is not being realised and is unlikely to ever reach the thousands of machines that was hoped for when the sp rose 400%.

With Greenseal unlikely to deliver the mega-bucks profit predicted, Starpol has to do it for SEO, there has never been a better time for the challenge of sustainable packaging to really enter the market and SEO have the chance if the retailers want to grasp the nettle. If Howard White can deliver this with a commercially viable and profitable product stream then SEO has a big future.

My caution is only about short-term sp, the forecasts are in public domain and are being reduced as Greenseal is not being commercialised to the extent and speed the market wanted and IMO the sp seems to follow that over the last few months.

Can SEO rise above 20p on speculation of a Walmart deal for Starpol or can it retreat to 12p with no news updates on Greenseal or Starpol deals?
Eventually investor sentiment turns to the need for profits and the market will decide the sp until we have a confirmed ground-breaking deal.
SEO have to deliver this time or the sp will be hit-hard but if they do deliver the 50p party at Donny will be sooner than we think.

What a share this is!!!

AndyS,

Sounds like you're stating that Greenseal is dead in the water! I find that a surprising revelation. I presume it is just your gut feel and has no other factual basis.

Deals have been done and true to form, the naive and over optimistic have become disillusioned with the rate of take-up of Greenseal. I believe this is the nature of such things, takes a fair time to establish roots and then rapid growth.

If it is to be believed that other supermarkets are waiting for their turn then the second quarter of 2006 should be very interesting.

This share and associated BB's has been over-inflated by a number of PI's hoping to realise their dreams over night, well that is just it...dreams, and now some have woken and smelt the coffee!!

Garyble,

They might be dreams but these dreams will probably come true but not just yet! Like you said, the Greenseal effect will take time. Alot on here assumes that within the first 3 months the conversion process will have started off at a blistering pace. It's a case of suck and see!

Kong

Hi All,

Anyone who has ever worked on a project, knows that nothing is ever rushed, and well planned projects take twice as lon as expected, and badly planned projects always take three times longer than expected !

I don't think Stanelco planning has a problem, rather that suppliers have their own planning and logistical problems, of which machines to convert, how to get that machine free long enough to do the conversion, etc.

Several suppliers won't have any spare machines, as a way of rotating converions, so they will be looking for maybe an annual service period for a machine as a time to convert it, and that could be months away.

There are several factors that make it difficult for suppliers, and they are still all watching each other, waiting for the other to convert first, but you can bet your portfolio that Tony Ruane is on thier backs, giving them a very hard time about it.

I suggest people chill out and forget the quick profit brigade, and short term price fluctuations, because those who stay 3 or more years here, will do very very well.

Cheers,
PM

Think we all agree that Stanelco is as good a medium to long term investment as any one of us is ever likely to have in our laps - the upside potential is monumental. So whatever happens in the short term is merely the yo-yo-ing of the graph until the day dawns when it finally reaches its destiny! Howzat for Sunday morning poetry?

Markusantonius

I could describe what you have written above in rhyming slang, but would never call it poetry!

LOLling about

The oily one

Ta, Oily one - there a few words that rythme though, I think? :o)

Markusantonius

rythme?

The oily one

I dont know how anyone could describe Greenseal as dead in the water as the Lemmings report replicated on here clearly says that SEO are still working with several ASDA suppliers. I'm sure if it was and with ASDA's recent form regarding suppliers then SEO would have been told to disappear. No danger IMO.

So this is clear in my mind.... Can Starpol be used on existing non Greeseal machines? If not, and all these supermarket want to go green then they have no choice? And if it can but Greenseal saves them money on top? Surely either way Greenseal/Starpol, or a competative alternative is inevitable in the coming years. As far as I can see, at the very minimum, we have stolen a march on any competition.

They maybe wont all come on board this year or next but the tide is turning and I am so excited to be a part of this company as we revolusionize the packaging industry.

Paul or anyone else that can answer.

The folllowing company seems to make a similar product to Biotec, are there any differences ?

http://www.biopag.de/index.php?english

Appreciate sensible answers and am long on SEO.

brandname, it does appear similar but i get the impression that it's a much smaller outfit than biotec. there is plenty competition out there which is why nobody should be jumping the gun and assume anything.

Bosley

Thanks for that, what other competition is there out there as this was the only company that i could find similar to Biotec.

Presumably Biotec can hopefully produce the product at a more competitive price which I guess is the key. I also note that there output is currently limited to only 10,000 tonnes per annum.

Greenseal is far from dead in the water, the point I make is that progress is slow and it will not matter a jot what long-term investors, PI or not think if the markets perception changes. SEO's rapid rise was against a background speculation of multi-millions profit by 2007 from Greenseal, it will take longer and I just feel that the market could turn against SEO but that this will present a brilliant buying opportunity for the long-term. Add to that Starpol potential but it has to get the deals done and to do that it must be competitive and SEO must look to develop capacity. Everything is looking good to SEO investors apart from down-trending sp which is a direct result of reducing profit forecasts.
I just feel it wrong to assume major deals will be struck in October that will lead to huge profits, we and more importantly the market need to see potential profit targets from realistic sales of Starpol before we can expect a significant upward trend in sp that will hold its value this time.

Time has come to deliver, last year BPRG had fingers in many pies with good potential deals and real-deals with world majors but when business and profit didn't materialise look what happened. My own feel is that SEO have done a better job and will in time yield the deals but this has to happen soon otherwise the short-term sp will be lower which to me will be a brilliant BUYING OPPORTUNITY.

I've commented enough now on my short-term concerns and long-term enthusiam for SEO, I'll sit aside, watch what I have left grow over the years and get back in with more as soon as I feel it appropriate. Good Luck to all investors with SEO.

Is Starpol / Biotec ASTM approved ?

For example:

State of California Mandates Use of ASTM Standard for Compostable Plastics

California became the first state to officially mandate the use of ASTM standards in the labeling of biodegradable and compostable plastics recently when Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a bill into law that requires that all plastic bags that are labeled compostable, degradable or biodegradable meet a standard set by ASTM International.

The bill, which will become effective Jan. 1, 2005, states, A person shall not sell a plastic bag in this state that is labeled with the term compostable, biodegradable, degradable, or any form of those terms, or in anyway imply that the bag will break down in a landfill, composting, marine, or other natural terrestrial environment, unless, at the time of the sale, the plastic bag meets a current ASTM standard specification for the term used on the label.

The standard that all plastic bags in California will need to conform to is D 6400, Specification for Compostable Plastics, which establishes the requirements for labeling of materials and products as compostable. Specification D 6400 is under the jurisdiction of ASTM International Committee D20 on Plastics. //

Copyright 2004, ASTM International

Thanks AndyS,

Makes it clearer.

Found this:

http://www.bpiworld.org/BPI-Public

Covers ASTM approved suppliers, do not see Starpol 2000 on there. Paul I think this is relevant to Starpol 2000, will you check with SEO or am I missing something ?

natureworks is an astm approved supplier under resins.