Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Well QED then, Haystack!

cynic
I did answer the question. I don't think that UKIP is neither left nor right leaning. They would have to have the full range of policies to really judge. I would say they are probably somewhat to right of centre but certainly not extreme right. That's not to say they are not attracting supporters from the far right. The polls showed that at least a third of BNP voters voted for UKIP. That could cause a problem for Farage at some stage. He doesn't appear to like racists voting for his party, but they are doing so already.

Hilary
According to Conservative politician Boris Johnson, Abu Qatada's residence in Britain is estimated to have cost the British taxpayer at least £500,000 in benefit payments to his family and other expenses by early 2012. The Daily Telegraph claimed the cost to be as high as £3 million by May 2012, a figure that could not be confirmed by the British Home Office.
(probably correct or even more allowing for police guards and surveillance)

In 1995 Qatada issued a fatwa justifying the killing of Muslims who renounce their faith, and of their families. In 1999 he advocated the killing of Jews and praised attacks on Americans.

The former chancellor of the exchequer, Lord Lawson, has called for the UK to leave the European Union.

Writing in the Times, he said British economic gains from an exit "would substantially outweigh the costs".

He describes the EU as "a bureaucratic monstrosity" and added that after an association with Brussels of 40 years "the case for exit is clear".

Cynic what question?. Youve asked so many lately Ive lost count.

Hays you say that UKIP have got all the votes they are going to get!!!!.

Dont know about that, Im thinking of voting for them.

Common sense politics.

i assume you are implying you concur .... what would have been your view if he had come to the opposite conclusion?

here you are sticky .....

just how right wing is ukip?
all parties have their loony fringe, and assuredly ukip is no exception ....... for all that, there is a definite impression, that populist policies (wishlist) apart, ukip would place its innate character in the pretty far right spectrum of the conservative party

is this a fair assessment?
sensible comment would be appreciated

NO. Not going on past Tory Historical records.

It all depends whose leading the Tory party if you think about it.

i don't think "historical record" is very relevant, but that aside as well as ukip's loony fringe, i certainly have concerns over ukip's positioning in the spectrum .... nationalistic (introspective) politics are always a concern as we now see in hungary, and have also seen elsewhere even after the last war

Cyners, Nigel Lawson..........who I rated very highly as chancelor, says we should come out of the EU. !!!!!

Not sure myself now, cant make my mind up. If we got a better deal in, id think id be for staying put.

Problem is Cyners as usual the press/media zoom in and magnify singular cases re- loony fringe.

Same with benefits, should be same with tax cheats.

Normaly find no problem with the majority.

It sells newspapers and promotes progs on TV.

A lot of the electorate are fooled. Nobody plays this better than the cheat Cameron himself. Just look at how he fooled the electorate in a party political broadcast 6 months ago when he claimed debt was coming down. Hes the master at manipulating statistics.

i was thinking of loony fringe closer to home!

Always thinking about yourself cyners.

more seriously ..... ukip has certainly raised political awareness in this country and i for one will be taking a proper look as to exactly what they are putting on the table - or at least say they are or will and how they will pay for it all

in particular, i'ld like to see exactly what their policy on immigration says

UKIP's policy on anything is not important apart from the extent to which they may take votes from the other parties. Their current success will certainly alter policies of the other main parties. However, because of our voting system, UKIP cannot hope to win an election or even become the oppostion. The main parties are only concerned about the extent to which UKIP will affect their share of the votes.

Any party who design its policy to gain votes is wrong.

They should adapt policies for the good of country. It appears that the voters understand more than the politicians these days. They will not be fooled anymore and Cameron and co. should understand this.

cynic if i put up for our MP i would get in easy ever one wants me to put up even labour voters thousands of them want me to be their MP but do not want to let them down under a CORRUPT uk cesspit .

THE FIRST THING I WOULD DO IS REMOVE ALL MIGRANTS AND PULL OUT OF THE EU
all illegals would be put on a plane back home any immigrant who breaks the law on a plane with all there family

hope that helps you . yellow is your colour mine is bright blue

What would make the political scene very interesting is if about 50 or so out of the 100 looney right wing tories, split off to join with UKIP party and take their financial backers with them.

(At the moment, the present tory party consist of three parties barely clinging together trying to save their own skins.)

This would probably get the support of some of the major "newspapers".

(I know the response of apparatchik like Hays will be, "it won't happen", but the SDP splitting off from Labour, changed the political scene at the time, and helped in the reform of both the Liberal and Labour parties with modification of policies.)

(At the time, many said that wouldn't happen. It did, but the outcome was different to what some expected.)

(UKIP may even get a few dissidents from Labour.)

If the above occurred it would demonstrate the polarisation of politics in the UK., allowing sight of various groups real colours.

Hopefully, such a movement as UKIP would be seen for what they are, a vociferous, rabble driven pandering to isolationism and Days of the Raj complexes.

99% of migrants from most countrys pay no taxes in the uk
just cheap labour to under cut the locals
fruit pickers have never paid any taxes but use all the services
well they should not be allowed treatment unless they have insurance which
they do not have if a english person went to any country to work in the eu
they would NOT get any treatment unless they had insurance

FACT NOT FICTION . even when you go on hols the doctor wants the cash before he sees you .

UKIP are going to grow big time and i do get around and find out
lincoln the weekend went to boston they will have a UKIP MP
and so will 18 others or perhaps more

fred 24% of the vote was not just a protest i have posted many times
that i am a tory but along with hundreds of close friends we have now switched
to UKIP and will join the party as members
the tory party is over unless we get a new leader like DAVID DAVIES OR REDWOOD
PEOPLE WITH BALLS NOT A FANNY