for more information about stanelco click on the links.

driver's research page link
http://www.moneyam.com/InvestorsRoom/posts.php?tid=7681#lastread
website link
http://www.stanelco.co.uk/index.htm

Brilliant Eric,, just what i was going to say,but id had one too many..JB..

Inside out.You are very persistant in re-presenting what would appear to me to be false information. Majority of people without something to loose themselves would have walked away a long time ago. I am beginning to think and hope you are short on SEO.

Just got back from the Sunday Times Wine Tasting in London - wonderful.

Can I suggest that as of now - no one acknowledges or responds to insideinside. He has had his say - and all he is doing is winding people up.

As of now - I suggest that we let him de ramp as much as he likes - but we should ignore his inane meanderings and concentrate on reporting news and facts as and when they come.

I for one was prepared to listen to him initially - as everyone has a right to an opinion on this board - but he has gone so much over the top that all he has done is to dicvrediut himeslf - so much so that even if he was telling the truth - his stories no longer have any credibility - with me at least.

So - lets just send him to coventry - it will drive him insane.

Baza
(ps sorry about the spelling - my fingers are drunk).

Baza

Baza - I agree, that your tactics will work.

In the meanwhile, I thought I'd share with you all an article I found a while ago which came originally from the US, though as ever when they sneeze we catch the cold....

Apologies for the long post, though I think it's handy to be forewarned of the tactics characters like insiderinside will employ (worth cutting and pasting for future reference) - in addition to annoying or worrying everyone on the moneyam SEO thread, he's been active today on more ADVFN threads than just the SEO one, desperately trying to get people to sell SEO to line his pockets.

"Is the "Bashing" of a stock an essential part of the online investment landscape?

Our Constitution guarantees us free speech and we have always valued the lessons gleaned from dissent. When does dissent cross over that imaginary line and become "Bashing"? To often we find well grounded dissent capriciously labeled as "Bashing" by over zealous investors bent on protecting a stocks reputation at any cost. The "Bashing" that is addressed on this site is quite different from dissent. The Anatomy of a Basher strives to look at the calculated erosion of confidence in a given stock. Erosion by means that are, in every sense, void of truth, hinged on deception and innuendo, and motivated by greed at the expense of others. This compendium is offered to aid in identifying the telltale signs of "Bashing", and hopefully provide a counter balance to this heretofore unchecked manipulation of investors fears for personal gain.

IS IT EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO BUYING A STOCK? I have asked some knowledgeable investors this question and the answer is always: "YES, OF COURSE YES!"
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WHO BASHERS PREY UPON
Consider the elderly that are investing for retirement, they find their way to the message boards for validation only to see false posts about "SEC Violations" and "Class action suits"... or the head of a "typical growing family", with children to put through college, who is monitoring a message board only to read posts by a "pack of 15 to 20 Bashers" (probably 5 or 6 under various alias's) posting continuous disinformation... what do you think these new investors will do? It's safer to not buy or even sell the stock, put the money back in the bank than to deal with all this whirl wind of "unsupported" negative chaff.

The Internet has lured a whole new class of investor into the market. A new investor is just that - New! This new investor, while learning the basics, is particularly vulnerable to the tactics of professional Bashers. New investors tend to lurk in the background of message boards, content to form independent opinions based on what they read with their own eyes. Very often, honest, intelligent and cautious people can easily be overcome by a well orchestrated propaganda effort.

You must always remember that their is a lot of money to be made in just the motion of a stock UP or DOWN it doesn't matter! And Bashers have money at risk just as you do. But they have the edge of fear, lies, and falsehoods to post while preying on the un-initiated. The average investor dose not have the edge of organized deception.

Recent revelations have indicated that even Market Makers (those charged with keeping the playing field level) have been involved in stock manipulation by Bashing on a stock message board. HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THIS IS A REAL THREAT!

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Lesson 1: Remember, BASHERS NEVER Bash A BAD STOCK. Check the boards for stocks with no potential. They never have any Bashers. Bashers only go after stocks that are moving up or have excellent potential to do so. Bashers work to bring the price down to either increase their position at the expense of others or help a Short make their bones.

Lesson 2: BASHERS ALWAYS BRING UP OLD NEWS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES. New startup companies always have a few bits of bad news. The Basher will post this over and over again. Unsophisticated Bashers will try to freshen up old news with a new date or by-line in an attempt to fool you.

Lesson 3: BASHERS POST MANY TIMES A DAY. They try to wear you out. They comment on everything, every other post, and can answer every question. THEY KNOW IT ALL! There is no positive comment they won't Bash. They try to control the board. True longs may have to confront the Bashers or they will appear to the newbies as being the people with all the information. This is best accomplished by posting positive, well researched data on the company, repetitively, while trying hard not to engage the Bashers in direct repartee. REMEMBER - LONGS... RESIST USING THE BASHERS ALIAS!

Lesson 4: BASHERS WILL LIE TO YOUR FACE. Never trust a Basher. The truth on startup companies is that they make mistakes. What new company hasn't? The Basher will compare your issue to a another companies, financials - deals - management, etc., trying to lure you into making an Apples to Oranges comparison. Remember each company is unique and while it is prudent to seek out established indicators, do so with care and don't take someone else's word for it. Strive to come up with at least a "six-pack" of indicators so your vision of the state of a company is not tied to a single barometer. Not doing so is tantamount to going to a Race Track and betting on the "Pretty Brown Horsey".

BASHERS WANT TO WHISPER IN YOUR EAR - PLANT A SEED OF DOUBT, AND HOPE THAT YOU ARE NOT SAVVY ENOUGH TO RESEARCH THE TRUTH ON YOUR OWN. This is how they achieve their greatest success.

DOUBT + FEAR + LAZINESS = BAIL OUT!

This is your investment... work for it, protect it and don't panic on the words of very shadowy figure that "has your best interest in their heart". Consider that one factor: Someone you have never met, is not a member of your family, is now, out of the goodness of their hearts - GIVING YOU FREE ADVICE (that you didn't ask for). It's a no brainer. They have motives $$$$$$$$$$$$.

Lesson 5: Bashers know YOU CAN'T VERIFY THEIR STATEMENTS. That's why they make the vague statements they do. They rely on you being to lazy to research their droppings other than to scan the board for others opinions. This is particularly dangerous when you consider that Bashers work in packs and often validate and back up each others nonsense with what appears to be "innocuous and unsolicited" verification by comrade Bashers. Let's face it, we are all conditioned to "believe" everything we see in writing. If others by virtue of their "posts" also confirm this belief, then we are subconsciously doomed to swallow the hook, line and sinker... Basher - 1 Honest Investor - 0

Lesson 6: The Bashers PLAY ON YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. They can lie about information and you won't know the difference (unless you have done your own DD on the company and know the truth and facts).

Lesson 7: Bashers play on your lack of patience. You have held a stock for a while. You knew it will be a big stock someday, but the BASHER CAN GET TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE TIRED OF WAITING FOR YOUR GAIN. That's when the Basher is best. You are tired. You have forgotten the goal for the stock was to hold it for one year. The Basher is bothersome, so you dump it on a bad day. Some others also dump. Then you get mad for your loss and return to let everyone know how mad you are. Then you turn into a semi-Basher as well. THE BASHER HAS WON, AND GAINED A NEW ALLY - YOU!

Lesson 8: BRING THE PRICE DOWN. That is the Basher's job. The truth is not important. Lies are the norm. Post continuously on the board every day. They are trying to scare the newbies that are just investigating a stock. They are trying to wear down the faithful longs on the board and gain free reign and control.

A BASHER HANDBOOK:
Do not underestimate a Bashers influence on a stock. The Pro's are good at what they do and what they do is profit from your losses. Below is their "hand-book". Learn from it or you will be donating your hard earned money to them!
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Rules for Successful Bashing:

1. Be anonymous

2. Use 10% fact. 90% suggestion. The facts will lend credibility to your suggestions.

3. Let others help you learn about the stock. Build rapport and a
support base before initiating your Bashing routine.

4. Enter w/ humor and reply to all who reply to you.

5. Use multiple ISP's, handles and aliases.

6. Use two (2) or more aliases to simulate a discussion.

7. Do not start with an all out slam of the stock. Build softly.

8. Identify your foes (Longs) and the boards "guru" Use them to
your advantage. Lead them do not follow their lead.

9. Only Bash until the tide/momentum turns. Let doubt carry it the
rest of the way.

10. Give the appearance of being open minded.

11. Be bold in your statements. People follow strength.

12. Write headlines in caps with catchy statements.

13. Pour it on as your position gains momentum. Not your personality.

14. Don't worry about being labeled a "Basher". Newbies won't
know your history.

15. When identified put up a brief fight, then back off. Return in an hour unless your foe is a weak in reasoning powers.

16. Your goal is to limit the momentum of the run. Not to tank the
company or create a plunge in the stock; be subtle and consistent.

17. Kill the dreams of profits, not the company or the stock.

18. Use questions to create critical thinking. Statements to
reinforce facts.

19. DO NOT LIE, NAME CALL or USE PROFANITY.

20. Encourage people to call the company. 99% won't. They'll take your word for claims made. If they do call you can always find something that is inaccurate in how they report their findings.

21. Discourage people from believing Press Releases.
Encourage them to call the company. They won't out of laziness.

22. If the companies history/PR's are negative constantly point to that. Compile a list of this data prior to beginning your efforts.

23. If the price rises blame it on the hype or the PR, temporary
mass reaction, the market, etc. Anything but the stock itself.

24. If other posters share your concerns, play on that and share theirs too.

25. Always cite low volume, even when it's not.

26. Three or four aliases can dominate a board and wear down the longs.

27. Bait the Longs into personal debates putting their
focus/efforts on you and not the stock or facts. Divert their attention from facts.

28. Promote other stocks that would-be investors can turn to
instead of the one your Bashing.

30. Do not fall for challenges on the "values" of what you are doing, it's a game and you are playing it with your own rules.
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Grade 'A' Basher:
If you post lots of old news, respond to all positive posts with a negative side. Never respond to being called a Basher, never post on another board with same alias. Can spend up to 80 hours a week Bashing a stock.

Grade 'B' Basher:
Very good way with words, always claims to be your "friend" taking the positive poster into confidence, never posts on another board, spends about 60 hours a week.

Grade 'C' Basher:
Spends less time than the others but is somewhat effective and gets a C grade due to getting excited when Bashers rules say not to get excited, spends about 40 hours a week.

Grade 'D' Basher:
Needs to learn the basics about being convincing when making a negative statement. Spends a good amount of time working the stock, maybe 20 hours a week.

Grade 'F' Basher:
A complete idiot, most readers are not convinced he knows anything about stocks in general. The type that says a stock "sucks", but gives no rationale, shows up every so often but no regular schedule.

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LEARN ABOUT HOW BASHERS WORK: For instance: did you know that some Bashers are paid?

Golden Rule:

IGNORE THEM ...learn how professional Bashers are paid: When you REPLY to Bashers you give them an opportunity to earn appox. 5-7 dollars. The service agreement they enter into with their employer states their messages will be monitored for content, profanity, lies, etc. but Overseers and the like don't have the time to check all their Bashers messages. Only occasional spot checks are done. Those who manage the Basher will generally read the headlines to see if a Basher is replying to other posters by name. That tells them the Basher isn't just "posting blindly" or repeating the same message over and over since they won't pay for those.(True to form a Basher will put the bite on anyone, even their unscrupulous employer). A Basher will attempt to milk three to five replies per post at one to two dollars each. This way the Basher spreads negative influence to as many stockholders as possible. A Basher will create this discussion thread because it takes less time reading more messages than is necessary. This ultimately allows the Basher more time to post and make money. In general, NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER. Make them read all the posts and think up ways to enter the discussion. NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER; if you do so then YOU BECOME THE BASHER,S AID! If you feel compelled to challenge a Basher do so without mentioning his/her true alias in your response. This will make it hard for the Basher to use your post as a revenue stream. Read the news, do your own homework and make your own decisions. Get real time quotes and follow the stock for a couple of weeks. Due Diligence is key here. Know that there will be a time when the stock runs up which will be followed followed by the Bashers and those that missed the boat. The Bashers will trash the stock by saying such things as "it's a Pump and Dump" and "the company is lying" and deceiving. There goal is to scare off newbies and potential new investors by "shaking" you out of your shares. Take the time to confirm your DD ,trust your own judgement and believe in yourself, pick your point of return or loss and live with it. Don't listen to hype or Bashers trust your own judgement. Live by the rules you have created .

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HOW TO IDENTIFY A BASHER

1. Check the "Born on Date" Bashers create identities on a regular basis. Rarely do you find a Basher with older "Created On" date. So click on the Identity icon for more details.

2. Take the time to look at the Basher's history of Posts. Go to other boards and see if their is a pattern to the theme of the posts. Bashers rarely waste time trying to blend in with "positive" posts, unless they are cultivating a new uninformed assistant.

3. When did the Basher show up. Bashers rarely show up when activity is in at a Lull. They show up when activity up/down..

4. Bashers never answer direct questions except with another question.

5. Bashers do work in teams (sometimes themselves as a team). So be suspicious of someone showing up and automatically having a Shadow to converse with who supports their argument.

6. Bashers always select "an argument" that can never be resolved by research.
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The Basher 'Pack' Mentality

Bashers love to work in packs. It provides the quintessential cover to achieve supposedly "independent" validation of an argument. It is neither independent nor validating.

Pack Structure: Basher Packs can be comprised of any number of Bashers. They can be purposely formed within an organization or they can be "ad hoc" formed during a conclave on a particular board. In fact a pack mentality can be achieved by an ambitious "party of one" with a few select aliases.

Once a pack is formed, a leader emerges. This leader is usually acknowledged by other Bashers because of 1. Knowledge of the stock. or 2. Recognition by current board Longs (high visibility). Once established the Leader will usually work the Pack members up in to a posting frenzy. Constantly changing themes and even occasionally biting the ear of another pack member (this earns instant credibility), and it doesn't offend the bitten Basher because he/she knows it is all part of the effect. Quite sophisticated.

Packs will disband and slink away without notice. Usually this is the call of the Pack Leader who is adept at recognizing overplay. More often than not, Pack members must move on because they have other Bashing commitments to fulfill. They will return to the site of a good hunt over and over again, until hamstringing is achieved.

What calls a pack together. The Cry of the Leader. Certain Bashers love to work together. They know each others bite, how to feign in and out, it is a well choreographed Bash when pack members have worked together before. They constantly check their "Sites Du Jour" for signs of Pack activity. Occasionally they will throw out a "Nibbler" Bash to see if the pack responds or if not they can work the site themselves. It's all about effectiveness, time and earning money.

< BEWARE OF THE PACK >"

Overgrowth ... opposite applies to rampers.

Insider is acting alone as far as I can tell so who are "the pack" ?

Dil - I agree that rampers can also work in packs and I've seen evidence of this on other boards from posts earlier in the year - hence my warning to a poster earlier in the week here who was seeking opinions on wildly optimistic "forecasts" which had been made by other BB posters (one of which was "8 soon...." I seem to recall).

Most of the posters on the moneyam boards have been around a long time and that shows that they are serious investors and not here today/gone tomorrow rampers or de-rampers. There is one exception I can think of - SueHelen (the great cut and paste ramper also known as Optimist23 on advfn) admitted that he only bought into companies with good potential and sold as soon as the share price doubled. However even SueHelen's ramping was not executed in the same malicious manner as insiderinsider's blatant de-ramping - he presented all the facts about a company (very well researched), told you his exit strategy and it was up to you whether you ignored the tip, followed the tactic to try and double you money or satisfied yourself that the company in question warranted further research and a longer term investment.

insider is so quick at cutting and pasting exactly the same comments even down to the pseudo complimentary comment "you guys could get William Hague elected PM" all over the other boards, then it's not inconceivable that he's sharing the "insiderinsider" log-ons with his city chums and they're all sipping Bolly and laughing like crazy as they Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V all over the place, in eager anticipation of honest folks being frightened into giving them a good proportion of their savings.

Beware in believing anything he says - he has already been reported several times today to advfn as a spammer because his constant deramping of SEO on other boards such as the EVS board is really hacking off folks whose primary interest is EVS and not SEO.

..Mes amities / lf insider x2 was here to geniually " help and assist us in our respective investment strategies he would not play silly mindgames more befitting a child of 12.{ Sorry to kids of 12 }. l mean along he comes,completely out of the blue, having made abolutely no prior contribution to this thread whatsoever, and suddenly without warning, repetitively bombarded it with highly contencious inflamatory comments which he KNEW would attract lively debate. You knew that much didnt u insider x2 . BUT it was the urgency of your postings which initially interested me and eventually revealed your true agenda/s. .As it turns out lnsider x2t your posts get the most simplest and basic of facts either quite wrong { perhaps copied wrong - for perhaps therin - meaning SEO - was not your primary target, but undoubtadly it was secondary in your thoughts.A real double whammy presented itself to you i suspect. Quite perversely , you see, Simon C. in his recent note to clients made identical errors; and that cannot be accredited to co-incidence.Neither can the fact that he made great play of Ultrasonics as being the new player on the block and that SEO would be outdated before its s exclusivity deal with Asda allowed it to be up for grabs. .And also in the process you have insulted the integrity of a number of people who in a relatively short period of time i happen to have grown quite fond . Now while i agree with you that shorters cant exist without tipsters/rampers, traders , mms ect ect do you really entertain the bizzarre notion that we have the time to be in league to commit collective ramping or something ? GROW UP !!! & BEHAVE ! lt is merely a board of consensus logics > Our only similarity being we are thrown together by the tremendous potential of this little gem called SEO. Did you think we would prove delluded amateur naive investors.!Do you imagine we sit in our respective homes and and hang on your every word and worry our mass conspiracy has been foiled .? . As it happens i was clever ( quite lucky morelike ) to have bought a shedfull of these @4.75 based puerly on sudden, persistent and heavy support and then stupid enough to sell them at 6.75p ( what a complete d*ck ); only to rebuy them @8.75 and not content with making a fool of myself once, i sold again @ 18p only to rebuy @ 18.2 . .l conceed i have made considerable gains along the way but far far from sitting on a massive cushion as you are suggesting, i happen to be have a holding @ 18.2. . My story is that simple .And yours ? ....Juste whas da deal wit u mister ?? Now elementary logic sreams at me your either sitting massively short OR are continually besmalling SEO in order to promote what is the real reasoning behind your mail. Ultrasonics ? Yes ? .ARE U taking the p*ss mate ? SEO s product is NEW. Ultrasonics products have been around since the late 8os. .There are a number of companies specializing in ultrasonics but as they will ALL freely admit it is unbeatable in given specialist environments but cannot even seal certain materials and performs badly at others and NEEDS a coating or laminating .Deals in ultrasonics are aiming @ niche markets despite your claims . l cant help but observe the manner in which you irritatingly say at the end of each of your mails words to the effect that you are leaving us a mere morsel of information to mull over but if we read your next mail we will be treated to something of quite breathtaking proportions.,,,and blah blah So whats the deal ? Cut the bullsh*t and tell us what you have intended to tell us all along . Namely the company whose tec u have dreampt up that betters RF sealing . Sonitek ? Bransons ? Dukane ? On one of those i presume you are long . On that basis i think you had better go back to the drawing board .Thats a bad move. Excellent write up on SEO dated 8th April in "Plastics and Rubber weekly" by Christopher Cundy. Comparing ultrasonics to RF tec is like comparing saling ships dependable on the weather to Liners powered by Rolls Royce engines. ..l only ask in order, of course, to "help" those of us who need protecting from ourselves . .....@+ a' tout a l'heure--en vous remerciant a' l'advance pour votre aide ,,hehe lol a/b.. J

It remains a fact that SEO has been ramped on jam tomorrow - even when their own RNSs cannot confirm one contract that is presently in effect - Asda as you know is not in effect as yet pending further trials - the RNS is very loose and vague and with the most bullish of number crunching for the Asda deal you can get perhaps 13p per share value on a very high forward PE. If you can post any confirmed facts of orders (placed - in effect and paid) and revenue for SEO please do - I will read it for sure - but there just is not any. You can talk about tomorrow all you like - it never comes - and so far - there is no order for SEO - which should be running at around the 4p mark at the moment - so lets have some jam tomorrow and Asda and say with jam added - its 13p - you are living in dreamland if you think its worth over that - and if Asda gets further delayed this could well go back to its 4p level.

Insiderinside picks a weekend to spam these threads knowing full well that the bb's are not being moderrated over the weekend.

Bonne matins Roly/..... lsnt this insider x2 the limit in patience ? : Please do tell us of these "Furthur delays" with Asda of which you talk. Utter twaddle. There have been no initial let alone furthur delays of which to even speak. . Everything is running according perfectly to schedule as we were told by the company .lf anything SEO have been nothing but responsible and extremely conservative in RNS after RNS and i fully anticipate from what all related parties are saying that a furthur RNS will be issued to the market before the end of April reg the deal with Adsa . .Hopefully long before then you will have gone along with your inane comments. l mean are you even aware of the number of major players in the manufacturers and producers of both raw meats and pre cooked meals, who compelled by market forces have expressed an interest in SEO s lidding TECH . When u ponder over such numbers in that over 13,456,921,500 ready made meals require sealing in an industry worth more than 12 billion the mind boggles over such volume. . ,,,, Also everything you say is a mere regurgatation of your previous posting.TRY answering some of the questions posed to you !!! TRY starting with the advantages of ultrasonics.There are none except with fabrics and select few items it proved quicker ..But some plastics need extra coatings or laminates which adds to cost And as it happens COST is the main variable here . ..!!! Now why would engineers from the USA bother to travel to the UK to familiarise themselves with RF tec Ohh why do i bother ...,,,Ohh juste start somewhere apart from the fact tht we are all domiciled in dreamland because you . You are seriously beggining to piss me right off ,,@+ J ,,,,,,

great find , og.

IGNORE THEM ...learn how professional Bashers are paid: When you REPLY to Bashers you give them an opportunity to earn appox. 5-7 dollars.

i'm bored of him . di, baza, i think you are right.

tfc, you are wasting your time trying to have a reasoned debate with this tit.

oh and morning all......

I said this way back ,IGNORE HIM!! i think ill stay off this thread now as its just the same old thing ,why anyone answers him i don't know ...
I shall be keeping a nice holding in SEO though.. and i look forward to reading peoples views on the other threads...JB...

i agree , jimmy. my mistake. i wrongly thought it was possible to have a reasoned debate . my bad.

dil, maybe the pack will emerge next week?
driver, i bought pcm many moons ago . i have basically put them away and hope that in fifty years time they might climb back to what i paid for them.:)

Insider is now very boring. He keeps repeating the same points and ignores all objective comments. When he labours the point he starts to become irelavent and its best that we all just ignore him and carry on with life as we know it!

Likewise J: l stand as guilty as Bos in my assumption that this serial remedial pest was sane . l wasnt around on Friday and had no oppertunity to read his mails until late yesterday afternoon .,,,,,,,,,Obviously in knowing what i know now he has been squelched,,,,

I would suggest as background research the web site www.freepatentsonline.com

If you do a search for Stanelco you can get 5 patents and interesting to read what they really are.

Then do some searches for RF Sealing, Ultrasonic sealing, tray lidding - wow - thousands of patents.

Quite surprising that SEO have only 5 in the search results - the lack of them suggests that either someone else has patented better and before - or if they have seriously lacked initiative - with such limited patenting it will be very easy to get around - or being presently got around by others - more questions.

motion forwarded to ignore the joker. seconded by me. all those in favour , say "aye"....:)

Nice one thats settled then,back to a constructive thread , ill be joining you all for that drink this year.Cheers guys and girls..JB...AYE!!!!

,,,,A most definitive "AYE",,,,,> to both our celebrations drinkies ,,,and to simply ignoring insider x2 ,,,Yes , he with the brains of a chocolate frog @+ J