Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

I'm a bit surprised that it took 300 posts for somebody to use that word. Where's maestro nowadays?

Hils, i didnt even know what it meant, had to google it, and i still dont really understand what it means;-)

Hilary
It didn't take 300 posts, Fred used it in post 72. At that point I knew there was no point arguing with him. He simply spouts far left nonsense and ingnores any well reasoned questions put to him.

When you find out let me know Ruth.

xxx

Thicko of Wales

Criminal actions of Israel.

The Funny Gang

They think by denigration and abuse of the messenger that it destroys the message.

Civilians and children are being killed by Israels army in the centre of Gaza at this moment. They are even attacking United Nation buildings. This group is ignoring that the World opinion, the United Nation and the major Humanitarian Agency.

Israel is being condemned and countries beginning to withdraw their diplomatic services from them.

I wonder why the funny gang do attempt to defend the carnage (some with big hearts the murdering of children.

Criminal actions of Israel.

The Funny Gang

They think by denigration and abuse of the messenger that it destroys the message.

Civilians and children are being killed by Israels army in the centre of Gaza at this moment. They are even attacking United Nation buildings. This group is ignoring that the World opinion, the United Nation and the major Humanitarian Agency.

Israel is being condemned and countries beginning to withdraw their diplomatic services from them.

I wonder why the funny gang do not attempt to defend the carnage (some with big hearts) the murdering of children.

Perhaps, it is not their children, families or relatives.

PS thank you for E-mails in support of my postings.

You're welcome, Fred.

Fred
How do you know that it is Israel killing all of these civilians - it is definately not beyond the realms of possibilities that Hamas are also killing innocents from their own side (the cynical side of me would consider this to be part of the propoganda.) Muslims in general do not care about their own because the fallen all become 'martyrs' for the good of the cause.

Raw,
I suppose below is falsification also.
Are you and the Funny Gang turning a blind eye to what is happening in the Middle East?
If so what is your agenda?
What do you hope to obtain by your blind eye

The United Nations has said the headquarters of its main aid agency in Gaza have been hit by Israeli shelling.
It says civilians are in the building, which is on fire.
Meanwhile the UN Secretary General, Ban Ki-Moon, has said the death toll in Gaza has reached an "unbearable point".
Bethany Bell reports from Jerusalem.
(Apparently due to phosphorus bombs)


Is this lying?
Two medics working for programmes supported by a UK-based charity give accounts of the difficulties they face because of the conflict in the Gaza Strip. Dr Abu Shaaban is director of the Burns Unit at Gaza's Shifa hospital and Dr Miri Weingarten is director of the Israeli charity Physicians for Human Rights.
The testimonies were obtained by the charity, Christian Aid.
DR NASEZ ABU SHAABAN - in Gaza
I have been working here for 25 years and I have never seen anything like this before. I have never seen this number of injuries or such severe injuries among civilians, children two and three years old.
We absolutely do not have the capacity to treat the numbers of patients we are receiving. That is why the minute the border opens with Egypt, we try to send the most difficult cases through for treatment and keep the less difficult cases here.
We are asking for the help of all physicians across the world - what type of weapons cause these injuries and how do you deal with them?
It is a disaster here. Entire families are suffering having had their houses collapse on top of them, some of them have been shelled, others are burned, it really is a disaster.
We have been receiving a very high number of patients with a strange burn, completely different to the burns we are used to managing, very deep burns with a very offensive, chemical odour coming from the wound site.
The wound keeps smoking for a long time. When we try to wash it with saline and water, some reaction happens, the skin bubbles and the patient complains of extreme pain.
In some cases there is then severe destruction of the tissue and we have had to amputate whole limbs.
We don't know what type of treatment should be used. The major problem is we don't know the kind of weapon that has been used.
We have a visiting doctor from Norway who thinks it might be white phosphorous but we are not sure. Even if it is, we have no experience of it and do not know how to deal with wounds it has caused.
We are asking for the help of all physicians across the world - what type of weapons cause these injuries and how do you deal with them? Is the chemical odour coming from the wound harmful to the medics?
What are the long term repercussions? We have no idea. What can we say? We try to reassure patients but we do not know.
I haven't slept a minute for the past 36 hours. I am not an administrator, I do not know how long we can continue to treat people in these conditions.
I would work forever with even the bare minimum of supplies. I will work as long as the shelling continues because I have to.

Fred

It doesn't change the fact that neither of us know who, in the fog of war, is causing all of these casualties. It will be both sides in my opinion and not as one sided as you seem to believe. I am not claiming anyone is lying or falsifying information but if Gaza is in such a state it is unlikely we will be getting whole truths/facts from any party. I also don't believe it to be beyond comprehension that Hamas could also have access to phosporous weaponry (and yes, use them against their own population - we just do not know and it is unlikey we ever will.

It might help to clarify if they did a poll of the political allegiancies of the injured- hamas or fatah - just a thought!

You cannot beat terrorism if you put civilians first!, This is a hard thing to say, But they will use all they can, to get their own ends, They do not think anything of killing civilians, This is why terrorists have not been defeated up to now. You have to hit them hard and fast You have to fight and win, or you are finished!.

At the moment I would accept the information coming out of the United Nations, Humanitarian Agencies, the Read Cross and other International Aid Agencies.

All the above are condemning the present ACTIONS OF ISRAEL.

Pointing to the flouting of International laws by Israel and are I my opinion committing war crimes.

When I wrote, halve the numbers children reported killed trying to appease those who said that the figures were being inflated, Haystack, flippantly replied that it was much better for the ones who hadnt died

If you have a family go down to the breakfast table in the morning and notice the empty spaces where your children sat, perhaps your brothers or sisters or parents and say the same thing.

How many of the funny gang seen the mutilation from murder on this scale? Have you met individuals suffering the ongoing misery from the injuries? Think of the damage to the families.

People talk of dysfunctional families. In the Gaza strip they are being produced every day. The psychopathology will be aimed at Israel and America for supporting them for years to come.

The Israeli actions are crass stupidity.

I am not a supporter of the Arabs, Palestinians or anti-Semitic, but I can foresee the civilise world becoming once again the latter.

Why am I hammering on, because I see it as an injustice.

The behaviour and remarks from the funny gang is what I expected in the school yard by 10-14years old, ganging up on somebody weaker and having a different opinion to the one they want to hear.

At the moment I would accept the information coming out of the United Nations, Humanitarian Agencies, the Read Cross and other International Aid Agencies.

All the above are condemning the present ACTIONS OF ISRAEL.

Pointing to the flouting of International laws by Israel and are I my opinion committing war crimes.

When I wrote, halve the numbers children reported killed trying to appease those who said that the figures were being inflated, Haystack, flippantly replied that it was much better for the ones who hadnt died

If you have a family go down to the breakfast table in the morning and notice the empty spaces where your children sat, perhaps your brothers or sisters or parents and say the same thing.

How many of the funny gang seen the mutilation from murder on this scale? Have you met individuals suffering the ongoing misery from the injuries? Think of the damage to the families.

People talk of dysfunctional families. In the Gaza strip they are being produced every day. The psychopathology will be aimed at Israel and America for supporting them for years to come.

The Israeli actions are crass stupidity.

I am not a supporter of the Arabs, Palestinians or anti-Semitic, but I can foresee the civilised world becoming once again the latter.

Why am I hammering on, because I see it as an injustice.

The behaviour and remarks from the funny gang is what I expected in the school yard by 10-14years old, ganging up on somebody weaker and having a different opinion to the one they want to hear.

Those who think I am out on a limb may consider the below. Unfortunately, those of Ruths ilk may have to get somebody to translate and try to explain it to them.


Asma Assad. President Assad of Syrias wife


Take a second to ask yourself Where would the extremists preach if poverty did not provide the audience? , Where would a terrorist recruit if poverty did not line up those in despair?

We tend to assume poverty only exists in the Third World, but you find even in the US and Europe there are pockets of extreme hardship and thats not something that people pay enough attention to, she adds now. The reason why it is so important is because it affects us all. When people are poor they have no hope and when they have no hopUS-UN Backed Ethiopian Invasion of Somalia-An International Crime





Sophia Tesfamariam
published February 11, 2007
To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole

Chief United States prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials
e, they become desperate and desperation can breed some bad, bad things..

Fred - ffs there is no funny gang ganging up on you. You're paranoid. Just individuals expressing opinions. No need to get personal again because it is not the opinion you want to hear.

PS I agree attacking the UN building is nuts if that is indeed what has happened

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak told him there had been a "grave mistake" and promised to pay extra attention to protecting U.N. installations. The Israeli military had no immediate comment on the bombing, which a U.N. official said injured at least three people.

Fred

I have no agenda and I am not interested in 'ganging up on you'. I am simply trying to add a little balance to your views.
You consider the goings on to be an injustice. History is full to the brim of injustice and always will be - that is human nature. The present day injustice seems to occur more often than not in the middle east - until of course you look at the millions killed in Africa everytime there is a genocide. Africa doesn't get the same press as it is not a developed country 'picking' on an undeveloped counrty but far more lives are lost.

All Hamas has to do is stop the rockets. They've known this since they initially provoked this conflict. It's almost like the damage is self inflicted. They keep poking that tiger with a sharp stick, and then act all surprised and innocent when they inevitably get "mullah"ed.