Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

I'll have some of whatever you are drinking Haystack.


A question, if I may.


Why has the gov waited until 5 weeks afore the shit starts to hit the fan to (talk) about doing something with the problem?

They started to do things about immigration after the election. Conservative supporters have the same type of gripe as Lib supporters. They say, "why aren't you implementing Conservative policies?" In both cases the answer is the same. The parties are in a coalition and neither party can choose their own policies. Each policy has to be the result of a deal between the two parties every time.

has gf deserted us? Is he to ashamed of the Labour party to post on here.

ok, so whats changed?


Are the dim/libs going to come onboard with the nu policy, or is it more of the same??

I don't know. He has to convince the Libs. It shouldn't be too difficult as the policy is VERY popular with the public. The Libs won't want to be seen to block such a policy.

ok, fair enough.

Cant see it happening tho.

I agree that he will find it difficult.

He for sure will, seeing as he has left it so late.

Which to me means he was never serious in the first place, it's all smoke and mirrors.

It is a response to the public's worries about the next wave of immigration.

Manuel's approach to a problem is similar to Cameron's.

Shoot the messenger and ignore the warning.

Must have had the same tutors.

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Gorgeous,

If you see me as Red, I suggest you question your own position and leanings.

Perhaps, you could also, have a look at political opinion in some of the quality papers, rather than the rags I guess you read.

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Hays.

Your approach appears to be, "if we say it, it is right,", God, Eton and I divined it that way and so be it".

And if we keep repeating the mantras from party HQ, we will be OK. even if the boat is sinking.

Laughable.

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MX.

I congratulate the UKIP and Farage doing a good hatchet job and exposing the racist and hypocritic element in the CON party and some of the voters, but I don't think the majority will vote for the tripe they stand on at a UK election in sufficient numbers to
have any government's policy.

Cameron and his cronies know it would be long term economic suicide to get out of the EU.

England would be a bigger non-entity than it is at the moment.

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But Cameron does seem to be ducking a debate with Fauxpage and ALEX SALMOND in the EU and UK election and will be seen as a political coward, which will add to his rejection by the voters.

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The corruption of government is the nod, the wink and clique, like with Murdoch, Andy and Rebecca which will be emphasised in the run up to the election.
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It is interesting to watch the squirming which is going on.


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8-)

PS.

Georgie Boy,

I agree with the majority of U-Turns Cameron has done.

9-)

I think hays as been on the hard stuff all day.

Hes been asking where have I been all day. Im suprised that he hasnt noticed in the past I dont do much posting at weekends, anyway just for you hays, Ive been sea fishing off Whitby and caught a few tripe.

Which is better then the tripe youve been spouting today.

ED MILIBAND

Sunday 24 November 2013
David Cameron demeans his office
The Conservatives’ tactics of fear and smear raise serious questions about type of politics we want

Last week the Conservatives’ approach to the next election was laid bare.
They want to distract attention from the issues that matter. With the support of a determined section of the press, they have decided that mudslinging matters more than the futures of millions of families across this country. We had seen this approach before with the Daily Mail crossing the line of common decency with its attacks on my Dad. And, on a different level, we have seen signs of it too from the Tories, trying to smear Labour last year over the Libor market – or blame Andy Burnham this year for their failures in our National Health Service. But last week a pattern of behaviour became clearer still. On Monday, David Cameron used a parliamentary statement about human rights in Sri Lanka to talk about trade unions in Britain.

Then he hit a new low by trying to use the gross errors and misconduct of one man, Paul Flowers, to impugn the integrity of the entire Labour movement. We all want proper answers as to what went on at the Co-operative Bank, and the public deserves better than the desperate attempts by the Tory party to score the cheapest political points, including ludicrous claims that Labour’s historic links with the Co-op movement were the invention of Rev Flowers. Of course, the credibility of their smears was undermined when it emerged that the Chancellor himself was promoting the Co-op’s bid to take over Lloyds Bank branches.

The Conservatives’ tactics of fear and smear raise serious questions about the type of politics we want in Britain today. David Cameron used to claim he wanted to change his party and lead it back to the middle ground: one that cared about the environment and all Britain’s citizens – including the poorest – one that wanted an end to the worst adversarial aspects of Britain’s Punch and Judy politics. That project has now entirely disappeared and has been replaced by another – to build the Conservative Party of Lynton Crosby, a man whose mission the Prime Minister describes as being “to destroy the Labour Party”. This is a Conservative party preparing to fight the dirtiest general election campaign that we have seen in this country for over 20 years. And the Crosbyisation of the Conservative Party has reached a new intensity as their leadership becomes increasingly desperate.

They have nothing to say about the cost of living crisis and have no vision for a better Britain. All they have left is resort to the lowest form of politics: that of division, of smear and character assassination. David Cameron cannot resist a low blow when the British public craves a politics on the high ground. His main political strategy is now to sling as much mud as possible in the hope that some of it sticks. When he does so, he demeans his office. Of course, these tactics have been tried before. David Cameron has said he wants to “dust down” the playbook for the general election of 1992 and doubtless, that is why he has employed Lynton Crosby who has run elections of this sort in Australia.

But Britain has the chance to say to them over the 18 months: not here – and not this time. Every time these tactics are deployed, the Labour Party I lead will call it out. Our response to these accusations will be rapid and robust. Fear and smear won’t work. Millions of families face a cost of living crisis unequalled in their lifetimes. And the general election will determine how our country responds. The next election is far too important to be conducted in the gutter. Britain can do better than this.

GF.

That was a very good summary of the antics of Cameron and its present leadership and also some of its more lowly flowers of the camp.

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Yep Fred I was very pleased that Milly is going to hit back but in a disciplined statesman like way.

Lynton Crosby is turning Fat Dave into a raving hooligan and people can see that on PMQs.

Cameron prepares for showdown with Europe over benefits for Romanian and Bulgarian migrants

Prime Minister unveiling proposals to renegotiate relationship with Europe

New arrivals would have to wait a year, up from 3 months, to get benefits
EU rules ban discriminating between citizens and migrants' hand-outs

PM considering move today, which would spark court battle with Brussels

By Mia De Graaf

PUBLISHED: 09:01, 24 November 2013 | UPDATED: 09:44, 24 November 2013


Decision: Cameron is today deciding whether or not to defy Brussels to bring in harsh new migrant rules


David Cameron is set to defy European rules by announcing a severe new set of obstacles for immigrants as Britain's Romanian and Bulgarian communities rapidly multiply.

It is one of many goals the prime minister will put to the EU in an attempt to negotiate a looser relationship with Brussels ahead of a 2017 referendum.


People wishing to enter Britain will have to prove they have lived here for a year, up from three months, before they can receive benefits in one of the proposals expected to be unveiled.


Another policy would remove child benefits from the dependent children of migrant workers, sources claim.

The move is a dramatic step that goes against EU laws preventing member states from having one rule for their citizens requesting state hand-outs, and another for immigrants.

If he goes ahead with the proposals, there is little Europe could do to stop him for years.


The prime minister is today considering the move, which would spark yet another court battle with the European Commission over benefit restrictions and potentially tarnish the country's fragile relationship with the EU.

Currently, Britain is in court with Brussels defending its right to subject migrants to 'additional tests' in order to merit state hand-outs.

However, the prime minister is motivated by mounting pressure from his own voters to guarantee strict control over Bulgarian and Romanian immigrants from January 1, when they will be awarded the same freedom of movement as all EU citizens.





Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2512650/Cameron-prepares-showdown-Europe-benefits-Romanian-Bulgarian-migrants.html#ixzz2lYYXzKhf
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David Cameron is set to defy European rules by announcing a severe new set of obstacles for immigrants as Britain's Romanian and Bulgarian communities rapidly multiply.

It is one of many goals the prime minister will put to the EU in an attempt to negotiate a looser relationship with Brussels ahead of a 2017 referendum.


Is he going to take his ball with him when he goes home.

He seems to be threatening to take his finger out of the bowl of water and leave a hole behind.

He is gesticulating and trying to impress the lowest common denominator of the tories and sucking up to UKIP.

Just out.

Hays hows your hang over?.

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