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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

In The Land of the B - 27 Aug 2010 19:31 - 3461 of 6906

So Brain Dead Fred doesn't have any Jewish relatives......why doesn't that surprise me...........

In The Land of the B - 27 Aug 2010 19:34 - 3462 of 6906

And haystacker only has a stack of hay upstairs (as in bungalow brain) ........why doesn't that surprise me...........

fahel - 28 Aug 2010 17:28 - 3463 of 6906

The Palestine Legal Aid Fund is a unique legal aid fund to support Palestinians in bringing human rights cases in international courts.
Legal mechanisms offer Palestinians hope of their claims being heard in an independent forum. Yet until now, there has been little access to justice for Palestinians.

Mary Nazzal-Batayneh discusses the legal movement for Palestinian rights in these short videos (part 1 and 2, only 10 minutes each).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pv6zuLGftM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkba3YyWNo8

For more info:
www.humanrightsfund.org

In The Land of the B - 28 Aug 2010 17:33 - 3464 of 6906

Israeli justice is administered by independent courts.
Hamas/Hizbollah "justice" is the torturing of anyone suspected of having Jewish contacts or friends - and then their execution.

It's about time someone started a fund for justice for Palestinians repressed by Hamas in Gaza. No that they would take any notice.

Haystack - 28 Aug 2010 18:35 - 3465 of 6906

Israeli justice is administered by 'independent court's.

No it is not. Military courts overrule the courts every day. The so called independent courts release people and the military just arrest them again. I happens every day. I could fill this thread with examples of just that.

Hamas is extremely popular amongst the Palestinians. If there were new elections there would be a landslide in their favour. That is why the PA cancelled the election that was due in June in the West Bank. They were afraid of how well Hamas would do and how unpopular Fatah is.

In The Land of the B - 28 Aug 2010 20:28 - 3466 of 6906

OMG you really don't have a clue. You just swallow the propaganda and regurgitate like a cat then eat your own vomit.
The lack of independent thought is mind boggling. Just copy and paste as nauseum, ad infinitum. To use your own words, "why should I be objective?"

Haystack - 28 Aug 2010 20:31 - 3467 of 6906

Most of the reports come from the UN and some independent news services like the BBC.

And how do you come to the conclusion that Israeli courts are independent. You must be even more gullible than I thought you were.

Haystack - 28 Aug 2010 20:41 - 3468 of 6906

http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/57D00BE6597450FF8525774D0064F621

United Nations Report

Report of the Special Rapporteur on independence of judges and lawyers, Gabriela Carina Knaul de Albuquerque e Silva

"According to the information at my disposal, between 1990 and 2006, more than 150,000 Palestinians, both civilians and those implicated in the conflict, have been brought before Israeli military courts. Military Order 378 Concerning Security Provisions of 20 April 1970 established the jurisdiction of the military courts. The law appears to grant the military courts jurisdiction that enables them to try any Palestinian individual resident or non-resident of the occupied Palestinian territory regardless of whether the offence was committed within that territory or not.

The most common charge used is article 53 (a) of the Military Order 378 entitled Offences against the Maintenance of Public Order which carries up to ten years of imprisonment. This provision appears also to be used against children as young as 12 years for throwing stones at the Wall.

In this connection, I would like to refer your Excellencys Government to General Comment No. 32 of the Human Rights Committee in which it emphasized that the trial of civilians in military or special courts could raise serious problems as far as the equitable, impartial and independent administration of justice was concerned.

In my opinion, the exercise of jurisdiction by a military court over civilians not performing military tasks is normally inconsistent with the fair, impartial and independent administration of justice. This should even more evidently apply in cases of minors."

616. Mr. Mohammad Othman, returning from Norway where he carried out advocacy work and met with Government officials, was arrested on 22 September 2009, at the Allenby Bridge Crossing between Jordan and the West Bank. Mr. Othman was placed in detention at the Huwwara detention centre and then transferred on 24 September 2009 to the Kishon (Jalameh) interrogation centre where he was placed in solitary confinement.

617. The Kishon Military Court extended his detention on 29 September 2009 for ten days. The Salem Military Court further extended his detention period on 8 October, 19 October and 27 October 2009. On 1 November 2009, the Court rejected an appeal against the extension of his detention. On the same day the military court prosecutor requested that Mr. Othman be prevented from meeting his lawyers until the next court hearing. The Salem Military Court sustained the proposal at a hearing on 2 November 2009, in the absence of both Mr. Othman and his attorneys. An appeal from Mr. Othmans lawyers challenging the application of the military prosecution preventing him from contacting his lawyers had been rejected by the Military Court of Appeals on the basis that the appeal should be filed directly with the High Court of Israel.

618. Mr. Othman has reportedly been subjected to lengthy interrogation sessions, some of them lasting from 8:00 am until midnight. He has been allegedly threatened that the interrogations could last for up to 180 days. He was reportedly also threatened with life imprisonment and told that his human rights work would not be helpful as he is now in the hands of the State of Israel.

619. On 8 November 2009, the court extended Mr. Othmans detention period for another ten days and also prolonged the ban on access to his lawyers until 15 November 2009, citing the interests of the interrogation as a reason. Since the ban on contacts with his lawyers, Mr. Othman has been held incommunicado. He receives occasional visits by ICRC delegates.

620. According to information available, to date no charges have been brought against Mr. Othman, nor has he been brought to trial.

621. Concern is expressed that the continued detention of Mr. Mohammad Othman without charges may be related to his work in defence of human rights, especially to his advocacy work and for speaking out against the construction of the separation wall.

Gausie - 29 Aug 2010 11:20 - 3469 of 6906

Tony Blair Addresses Haystack and his ilk - (25th August 2010)

"Don't apply rules to the Government of Israel that you would never dream of applying to your own country"

required field - 29 Aug 2010 11:43 - 3470 of 6906

What on earth has this nonsense to do with shares or investments of any kind ?.....we all know what a pain in the neck the jews and arabs are ! always playing dirty tricks on people...not for no reason that they both have a filthy reputation.....and who the hell is interested in a blinkin Blair speech ?....lot of nutters you lot !...

Haystack - 29 Aug 2010 14:44 - 3471 of 6906

Tony Blair is not someone to be taken seriously when discussing the ME.

Gausie - 29 Aug 2010 16:17 - 3472 of 6906

... whilst Haystack is.

Lol

Haystack - 29 Aug 2010 17:33 - 3473 of 6906

Blair is just offering excuses for Israel's appaling behaviour and talking to an Israeli audience. It is the appaling behaviour that causes most of Israel's problems. Israel is behaving as a terrorist state.

Here is a commentary on the speech above. The commentary is far better written and more reaslistic than Blair's speech as 'a friend of Israel'.

http://www.middleeastmonitor.org.uk/articles/middle-east/1468-israels-shameless-mouthpiece

Fred1new - 29 Aug 2010 20:02 - 3474 of 6906

RF,

Thank you for your unbiased opinion.

After the banking and other fiasco I would think virtue is not the perogative of those living outside the ME.

The adjectives you use may be more indicative of yourself than those you impune.

As has been said before, if the subject of the thread is of no interest to you, don't read it.

I think the majority of other readers are able to make that choice.

Have a nicer week.

spitfire43 - 30 Aug 2010 20:24 - 3475 of 6906

100% agree required field

just popped in to see if there were anything of interest here, and looking at threads like this reminds me why I have contributed elsewhere for the last few years.

Too many poster with large e'gos, who like being big fish in a small pond.

A worthwhile investors bb should be a rich source of ideas and investment ideas, not nonsense like this thread where contributers just insult each other with blinkered opinions.

Totally tedious imv....

Best Wishes spitfire43.......

jkd - 30 Aug 2010 23:25 - 3476 of 6906

s43
i remember your most interesting and informative posts. i am sorry you have stopped posting on our board.this board is is less interesting without your posts.nonetheless it continues without you.as it will without me or anyone else.so, Totally agree with you.
can you please advise me where i might find such bb's as you mention?
serious.
thanks and regards
jkd

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Fred1new - 31 Aug 2010 08:59 - 3477 of 6906

S43,

I wonder what precise content of this thread you find offensive.

You have other threads, such as "Weekend chat", "Talk to yourself", Various football and cricket threads and of course Political threads.

All those have only the loosest connections with finance, while the actions in the Middle East may have, or cause, calamitous effects on the financial markets.

In my youth I spent quiet a while within the "communist block" and suppression of the "press" and other forms of communication has been of interest since then.

To me there appears resemblances between that era and the wishes of some on this thread.

Have a nice day.

Haystack - 31 Aug 2010 09:14 - 3478 of 6906

Fred
This is not a public forum and not related to the press either. It is a discussion area owned by MoneyAm and nothing more. There is no freedom of the press here. It is purely what MoneyAm find acceptable.

Fred1new - 31 Aug 2010 09:23 - 3479 of 6906

Oh, I thought it maybe in response to avoid discussion of :-


Israel rabbi calls for 'plague' on Mahmoud Abbas
Rabbi Ovadia Yosef (file pic, 2002) Rabbi Ovadia Yosef's words were condemned as "deeply offensive"

A senior rabbi from a party within Israel's coalition government has called for Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas to "vanish from our world".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11127409




Perhaps, I am wrong!

required field - 31 Aug 2010 09:24 - 3480 of 6906

This thread has nothing to do with shares or investments of any kind and repesents the mess that that Isreael and Palestine are in, if you read this crap : you will understand the sort of people that are out there : it's just like them : "trouble all round" !, and frankly some of you have a damn cheek using Money AM to spread further discontent among the real bloggers.....
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