Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Yes Fred, the Tories have always been backdoor boys.

sticky - an interesting little snippet today .....
i was talking to a chap from leicester who had been a bricky up to 2009 ..... at that point, he said the market just came to a total standstill pretty much overnight, so he was effectively forced out of biz .....
he then joined an engineering company, so i asked how biz was for them now ..... oh very much on the up now, was the response ..... for sure they export their machine parts to india and far east, but assuredly some of it must be domestic too

UK EMPLOYMENT ANALYSIS: NO SIGNS OF ECONOMIC RECOVERY, JUST DESPERATION

By John Ward
January 23, 2014


http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2014/01/23/uk-employment-analysis-no-signs-of-economic-recovery-just-desperation/

at least my information is not some cartoonist having a laugh, but first hand and from the midlands and from a manufacturing engineering company

You didn't even read it c.


Some bits you might have missed.

Manuel

P 35784

I think the there are the slight signs of economic germination.

But look at the following and you can see some reason for anxieties

The "depression" could have been dealt with in a different ways, with money spent on the "dole" used to supplement R+D or more infrastructure updates etc.

The aim of some financial "support" of the economy is directed for political reasons into the hand of those who have. ie Housing guarantees for high price housing, Egocentrically to London.

The same cash used in other areas would have produce more stimulus with less risk.

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I won't go on.

I played chess last night with a ex-senior lecturer economics. It was a draw.

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UNITED KINGDOM GDP GROWTH RATE

The Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in the United Kingdom expanded 0.80 percent in the third quarter of 2013 over the previous quarter. GDP Growth Rate in the United Kingdom is reported by the Office for National Statistics. From 1955 until 2013, the United Kingdom GDP Growth Rate averaged 0.6 Percent reaching an all time high
of 5.3 Percent in March of 1973 and a record low of -2.5 Percent in June of 1958.

The United Kingdom is the world’s seventh largest economy. Like in the case of many other developed nations, services is the biggest sector of the economy and accounts for more than 75 percent of total GDP.

The key segments within Services are Distribution, Transport, Hotels and Restaurants (18 percent of total GDP), Government, Health and Education (20 percent); Professional and Support (11 percent); Financial and Insurance (9 percent) and Real Estate (9 percent).

Although the United Kingdom is still one of the biggest manufacturers in the world, production constitutes only 10 percent of the GDP.

Last big component of the GDP is Construction, which accounts for around 7 percent of total output.


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That is a major part of the UK problem,

Maggie was shit scared of the city an the present creep even more dependant on them.

Fred
That silly web site is just stating the obvious. Of course pay is not I proving in relation o prices. Why would it at the moment? The economy is growing at a very good rate,,Wages and employment will catch up. It is going to be a sobering prospect for all the lefties.

Pardon!

Reality check needed!

sorry max - thought i was meant to look at the pic only ....however, interesting as your numbers may be, they do not in any way negate the "snippet" i brought to the table just now - and that was first-hand fact "as at today"

cynic 23 Jan 2014 17:23 - 35784 of 35791

sticky - an interesting little snippet today .....
i was talking to a chap from leicester who had been a bricky up to 2009 ..... at that point, he said the market just came to a total standstill pretty much overnight, so he was effectively forced out of biz .....
he then joined an engineering company, so i asked how biz was for them now ..... oh very much on the up now, was the response ..... for sure they export their machine parts to india and far east, but assuredly some of it must be domestic too..............ends

so this bricky a skilled job if hes a proper bricky as taken on a job at an engineering company!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now this just illustrates whats happening in Tory Britain time and time again, workers having to trade down to lower skilled jobs as obviously he hasnt taken on a SKILLED job
as an engineer.

Probably find his take home pay his far short NOW than what he was earning back in 2009.

Its the Quality of these new jobs and their duration ie, part time, fixed contracts etc etc thats under scruitiny.

Its good to see the chap as found work but at WHAT CAREER cost.

And of course its good for his employer hes probably as found a grafter who gets stuck in and is way better than the average BUT is this the way forward for Britain??????? A low cost economy were the HAVES get richer and richer and the HAVE-NOTS get poorer and poorer.

And then theirs the small issue of the young man whos been unemployed for 4 years and never been given a chance.

sticky - you didn't read properly, or chose not to ..... he was forced out of his job as a bricky in 2009 due to the total collapse of the economy; perhaps you could remind me as to who was then at the helm

fortunately for him, he had the nous and drive to find a different direction, and though i do not know what his current role is, i don't suppose it is as the odd-job man, or he wouldn't have been at Quat' Saisons on a cookery class

i'ld hazard a guess that in the longer term, he will do as least as well as he would have done as a bricky, but without the innate uncertainty of the construction industry

so now perhaps you'ld like to re-read and write as a sensible person, which by and large you are, instead of as a contaminated political twerp :-)

on a separate issue, while i have much sympathy with today's youth and the current paucity of employment, there is a valid counter that many of the youth will not take on lower paid jobs, or even just charity work to improve their CV and for their own self-esteem, because they reckon it's not worth the effort when a similar amount might be earned without effort through the benefit system

do i know first-hand of such cases?
indeed i do

NO not at all I stick by what I say.

For a start it was a worldwide recession and secondly if you know about brickys rates youl know hel never ever get anywhere near them levels as an unskilled worker.

Dont forget Im in the construction/property industry.

And this government are not building enough houses.

Glad hes got a job though.

Secondly if you are right about youth workers why do we have IDS repeatedly saying work pays and benefits dont??????????????????????????????????????????

This government is building a lot more than the previous Labour shower.

Labour’s claim of being the party of council housing is in tatters

As part of the Labour conference focus on the cost of living, the party will be going to great efforts this week to reclaim its presumed title as the party of ‘council housing’.

Expect to hear private builders bashed for squirrelling away land plots rather than piling ‘em high with apartments as they should. And the pillorying of the right to buy policy, ritually chastised as it is each conference as the chief reason for the country’s interminable descent into social housing drought.

What you’re unlikely to hear is a serious admission by Labour of its appalling track record on council housing supply. That local authority housing passed into private hands far faster under Labour than Conservative prime ministers. Or that the true title of council housing champion sits more comfortably in Conservative hands.

Despite the huge building boom under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, only 13 percent of the 2.5 million homes which rose up under their watch were built by ‘social’ landlords. This compares with almost a quarter of 3.8m homes under Margaret Thatcher and John Major’s reign. Even David Cameron appears on track to match his predecessors’ trend, in market share at least. If Labour had caught onto the coat tails of their building boom to the same degree as the Tories, almost 300,000 more social homes would be dotting this land. What a massive missed opportunity.

Whichever way you look at it Labour’s council housing halo has slipped. Investment in housing plunged under Blair and Brown to its lowest level for decades. During their first 12 months in power they spent less than in any year of Thatcher and Major’s 18-year reign. Their poverty of social housing ambition persisted throughout most of their administration. A big increase only arrived in its dying days- as a prop for builders tripped up by the financial crisis.

One council housing crown does belong firmly in Labour’s territory, though not one its grassroots members ever wanted. Council houses and flats passed into private ownership at a far greater rate in Brown and Blair’s 13 years than under two decades of Thatcher, Major and Cameron premierships.

LOL, Hays all those LA houses that Maggie sold off 'on right to buy' 2/3rds are now in the hands of mostly Asian Landlords. The tenants saw Maggie coming LOL LOL LOL.

Dont try to give labour any lessons on Council houses.

Cyners a good bricky up here in the north clears £250 to £300 a day god knows how much they are earning down south.

Do you really think an assembler in an engineering company can match that.

like i said, i don't think he's just an odd-bod; he clearly must have other talents .... but it was a very interesting conversation for all sorts of reasons

with regard to selling off the council houses to the tenants, i don't recollect that there were too many dissenting voices, though it was so long ago, that perhaps i have forgotten about the few

since that time, it is certainly true that no gov't of any hue has made much if any effort to have new council houses built or even to do much about reviving the existing stock ..... much as you might wish to, you really cannot hang that particular canard at anyone's door

After now the Mike Hancock sex claim's [ remember he was also involved with a young East European girl about a year ago ] , Clegg can't remain as leader but it won't save his party.

The next party poll will be interesting