Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Karl Turner, the shadow attorney general has said he has resigned

That's one sacked and 11 resigned.

Posted across the road: h/t to palwing.


Cant find it on the website, it's so slow and clunky, but it might be my comp.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/



A very good article by in the Belfast Telegraph by Ellis O'Hanlon shown below.


Sore losers in Remain were blind to UK's ingrained Euroscepticism

Britain is split right down the middle. Half of us wanted to leave the European Union, and half of us wanted to remain. In the end, those who wanted to get out slightly edged it.

That's been the official interpretation of Thursday's historic referendum vote.

You can chalk it up as yet another thing that the political and media class in the UK have got spectacularly wrong.

Those who loathe the EU in Britain far outnumber those who feel any affection for it.

The percentage who actually voted in favour of independence may "only" have added up to 52%, but there are millions of others among Remain supporters who feel exactly the same way about Europe - they just couldn't bring themselves to take a leap in the dark when push came to shove.

I should know. I'm one of them.

My heart was always for Brexit. The EU is a bloated, complacent, autocratic and anti-democratic institution whose treatment of small peripheral nations in economic trouble has been shameful.

Its arrogant refusal to admit that it needed fixing was only further proof that this vainglorious project was fundamentally unreformable.

Having said that, I'm also risk-averse and innately conservative with a small 'c', not to mention worried about the implications for Northern Ireland.

Project Fear worked on me. With little enthusiasm, I voted to Remain.

The reaction to Thursday's vote has done little to reassure me, however, about the decency of Remain supporters.

Those who voted to leave the EU are being viciously pilloried as stupid, unsophisticated, reactionary, racist. They've even been denounced for being too old. How dare the over-50s have an opinion about the future direction of their own country!

Don't they realise that the under 25s are all passionate pro-Europeans who should automatically get their own way, despite the fact that practically every comfort they enjoy is paid for by the selfsame wrinklies that they're casually disparaging and whose life experience surely ought to count for something and be respected?

Now they've also turned on Prime Minister David Cameron (left) for calling a referendum at all, because it delivered the "wrong" result.

This is exactly what you'd expect from self-satisfied elites who think they know better than everyone else and have a divine right to run our lives. That's why they hate referendums.

On Thursday, the voices of the great and the good had no more weight than anyone else's.

Those with letters after their name, who've done quite nicely out of Europe, thank you very much, were forced to endure the ultimate indignity of realising that they had no more say in the future direction of the country than a welder in the West Midlands, a fisherman in Falmouth or a farmer in Fermanagh.

These masters of the universe still don't get it even now, wringing their hands and wondering how a Leave vote could have happened, when it's blindingly obvious to anyone who bothered to lift the blinkers that Britain has been naturally, deeply Eurosceptic for decades.

It's just that this was the first time ordinary people had the chance to express it.

If you seriously believe that a democratic vote is something to be embarrassed about, then you're part of the problem.

We ended up here because our so-called betters didn't listen. They're still not listening.

Good article. The status quo always had an inate advantage but that wasn't enough.
Exit polls in Spain giving a majority to the left wing Podemos party. Difficult to say what that means but it does blame the EU for the austerity and unemployment in Spain.

Correction
According to exit polls, the conservative People's Party (PP) of acting Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy won some 30 percent of the seats, with up to 121 PP politicians to be represented in the parliament.

The Unidos Podemos (United We Can) alliance led by the leftist Podemos party would have from 91 to 95 seats in the 350-strong assembly, Reuters reported, citing the poll by state broadcaster RTVE. The Socialists could get 81-85 seats, while Spain's liberal Ciudadanos (Citizens) party might have up to 30 seats.

Over 36 million Spaniards are eligible to vote Sunday, with four big parties and six smaller regional ones expected to win seats in the parliament. Turnout was 51.17 percent at 16:00 GMT, according to official data. Voting closed at 18:00 GMT.

I don't think in a million years will there be another referendum..

The biggest threat is from those remainer MP's, we've had that imbicile of
a woman Anna Soubrey, one minute she's saying, in a sulky,negative way
that we must all come together and be all inclusive, then in her next breath
starts saying what a disaster the LEAVE vote was..

That's the attitude of the whole pro-eu side, I wouldn't trust a word they
keep spouting.....

EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum
Sign this petition
3,421,677 signatures

Its still obvious that the establishment havn't got it, after watching
Question Time earlier, the remainers were still accusing the LEAVERS
of being racist and bigots..

They are not going to change and they will be doing all they can to
jeopardize the EU exit...

You can put that up as many times as you like its not going to make
one iota of difference..

Most of those signing the petition are not eligible to vote in the UK.

Your petition Fred, isn't worth bum paper!




Petition for second EU referendum may have been manipulated


Data shows people from countries including Iceland and Tunisia backed petition that should be signed only by Britons and UK residents


Nicola Slawson


@nicola_slawson

Sunday 26 June 2016 14.18 BST



A petition calling for a second EU referendum which has gained more than 3 million signatures is under investigation by parliamentary authorities.

The House of Commons petitions committee has confirmed that 77,000 signatures, which were added fraudulently, have been removed. A tweet by the committee said that it would continue to monitor the petition for suspicious activity.

The request for another referendum on the parliament’s official petitions website should have been signed only by British citizens and UK residents.

However, the petition’s data showed signatories from countries around the world, including Iceland, the Cayman Islands and Tunisia, and in some cases there are more signatures than total population.


Despite Vatican City, a tiny city state, having a total population of just 800, over 39,000 residents of Vatican City appeared to have signed the petition.

Helen Jones, the chair of the petitions committee, said that those signatures discovered to be fake would be “removed” and said such fraud “undermines the process of parliamentary democracy”.

She said: “The Government Digital Service are taking action to investigate and, where necessary, remove fraudulent signatures. People adding fraudulent signatures to this petition should know that they undermine the cause they pretend to support.

“It is clear that this petition is very important to a substantial number of people. The petitions committee will be considering the petition at its meeting next week, and will decide whether or not to schedule a debate on it.”



More:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/petition-for-second-eu-referendum-may-have-been-manipulated

Most of those signing the petition are not eligible to vote in the UK.


On what evidence do you base your statement on?

Perhaps the same as the fictitious £350,000,000

Its the whole attitude of the pro-eu briggade, trying to take the LEAVERS
as fools..

Doesn't take much effort!

Boy somebody is angry.
2517

what bit don't you understand Fred?



However, the petition’s data showed signatories from countries around the world, including Iceland, the Cayman Islands and Tunisia, and in some cases there are more signatures than total population.

Just wonder how an MP that voted in can work with other MP's that voted out ? For eg the blonde haired woman on the earlier question time (her name escapes me ) said she could not answer a question on the positives of future students now, as she voted in. If comments like this are going to arise should these MP's resign? It is almost like the previous Conservative/Liberal alliance. This is of great concern to me.

3M+ ‘Remain’ Petition Uses ‘Script’ To ‘Fake’ Signatures: 25,000 From North Korea, 2,800 From Uninhabitable Antarctic



http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/26/questions-raised-3m-remain-petition-activists-encourage-foreign-signatories/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36634407

Second EU referendum petition investigated for fraud

This is well worth reading, damn's the lot of em!



https://moneymatterstoo.wordpress.com/2016/06/25/brexit-30-years-in-the-making/

dreamcatcher they call her Anna Soubrey(see my post 3625), and she's a total bitch,
and once there is a new leader(Tory) in place she should be the first
to be removed in any cabinet reshuffle.

Chris Bryant has resigned. That makes twelve.