Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

If it was the UK v Russia , we could have Haig v Putin in a Judo match to decide the winner.

ATOS Bully Boys at work again.....

OH Insist: Atos bullies demand dismantling of critical Facebook sites

Disability campaign groups have started receiving threatening messages from OH Assist, the new face of Atos Healthcare.

The messages have been posted to Facebook pages belonging to the Welfare News Service, Black Triangle Anti-Defamation Campaign in Defence of Disability Rights, The People Vs Government, DWP and Atos and Atos Miracles (so far).

They state: “We ask kindly that you remove this page as it incites hatred towards our staff and members. Thank you.”

The wording carries an implicit threat of litigation, as an administrator on Atos Miracles explained: “They are threatening to take legal action on those allegedly defaming them, as it incites hatred towards their staff. So can we take legal action for how they’ve treated the sick/disabled and vulnerable?

“As someone said, you take one of us on, you take all of us on.”

The post continued: “We have a right to our opinions, just as they think they have a right to (in conjunction with the cowards at the DWP) bully, disrespect and shamefully and callously treat the genuinely sick/disabled!

“People have died at the above’s hands. That is the reality.

“So, OH Assist, Atos, or whatever name you will now practice under…

“See you in court.”

Vox Political has not received any messages from OH Assist or Atos – which is curious as the DWP, at least, reckons this blog is about a “‘cover-up’ of the number of Incapacity Benefit and Employment and Support Allowance claimants who have died” following Atos assessment.

Perhaps this is tacit admission of the validity of the articles on this site – who knows?

If that is true, it seems strange that they do not appear to have considered another fairly obvious conclusion – we all talk to each other.

Vox Political considers that any attack on sites that criticise Atos – under any of its many names – for the horrific results of its work capability assessment ‘medical’ tests is an attack on us all, and stands ready to assist any colleagues who come under such fire.

To OH Assist, we say: “What’s the matter, fellows? Aren’t you aware that UK law allows anyone to provide their opinion, or fair comment, on any subject, person or company, providing it is supported by factual evidence?

“If you were able to provide information that the number of deaths following Atos assessments dropped after November 2011 (the last month for which figures have been provided) you might have a leg to stand on. These figures would have to be verified by an independent source like, perhaps, the UK Statistics Authority in order to give them meaning.

“Why don’t you just come up with some evidence to show that you haven’t done what everybody believes?”

In other words:

Put up or shut up.

i'll propose eric pickles!
he'll win easily by tko!

STAGE 1: INFILTRATION

Muslims begin moving to non-Muslim countries in increasing numbers and the beginning of cultural conflicts are visible, though often subtle.
o First migration wave to non-Muslim “host” country.
o Appeal for humanitarian tolerance from the host society.
o Attempts to portray Islam as a peaceful & Muslims as victims of misunderstanding and racism (even though Islam is not a ‘race’).
o High Muslim birth rate in host country increase Muslim population.
o Mosques used to spread Islam and dislike of host country & culture.
o Calls to criminalize “Islamophobia” as a hate crime.
o Threatened legal action for perceived discrimination.
o Offers of “interfaith dialogue” to indoctrinate non-Muslims.

How many nations are suffering from Islamic infiltration? One? A handful? Nearly every nation? The Islamic ‘leadership” of the Muslim Brotherhood and others wish to dissolve each nation’s sovereignty and replace it with the global imposition of Islamic sharia law. Sharia law, based on the koran, sira and hadith, condemns liberty and forbids equality and is inconsistent with the laws of all Western nations. As the author and historian Serge Trifkovic states:

“The refusal of the Western elite class to protect their nations from jihadist infiltration is the biggest betrayal in history.”

STAGE 2: CONSOLIDATION OF POWER

Muslim immigrants and host country converts continue demands for accommodation in employment, education, social services, financing and courts.
o Proselytizing increases; Establishment and Recruitment of Jihadi cells.
o Efforts to convert alienated segments of the population to Islam.
o Revisionist efforts to Islamize history.
o Efforts to destroy historic evidence that reveal true Islamism.
o Increased anti-western propaganda and psychological warfare.
o Efforts to recruit allies who share similar goals (communists, anarchists).
o Attempts to indoctrinate children to Islamist viewpoint.
o Increased efforts to intimidate, silence and eliminate non-Muslims.
o Efforts to introduce blasphemy and hate laws in order to silence critics.
o Continued focus on enlarging Muslim population by increasing Muslim births and immigration.
o Use of charities to recruit supporters and fund jihad.
o Covert efforts to bring about the destruction of host society from within.
o Development of Muslim political base in non-Muslim host society.
o Islamic Financial networks fund political growth, acquisition of land.
o Highly visible assassination of critics aimed to intimidate opposition.
o Tolerance of non-Muslims diminishes.
o Greater demands to adopt strict Islamic conduct.
o Clandestine amassing of weapons and explosives in hidden locations.
o Overt disregard/rejection of non-Muslim society’s legal system, culture.
o Efforts to undermine and destroy power base of non-Muslim religions including and especially Jews and Christians.

Is there a pattern here? Theo van Gogh is murdered in the Netherlands for ‘insulting’ Islam; the Organization of the Islamic Conference demands ‘anti-blasphemy’ laws through the United Nations; France is set afire regularly by ‘youths’ (read Muslims); the rise of (dis-) honor killings…holocaust denial…anti-Semitism…deception re the tenets of Islam; hatred toward Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists. The pattern for all to see is the rise of Islamic intolerance and the covert/cultural jihad to remake host societies into sharia-compliant worlds – to remove host sovereignty and replace it with Islamic sharia law. Sharia law that condemns earthly liberty and individual freedom, that forbids equality among faiths and between the sexes, that rejects the concept of nations outside the global house of Islam, that of dar al-Islam.

STAGE 3: OPEN WAR w/ LEADERSHIP & CULTURE

Open violence to impose Sharia law and associated cultural restrictions; rejection of host government, subjugation of other religions and customs.
o Intentional efforts to undermine the host government & culture.
o Acts of barbarity to intimidate citizens and foster fear and submission.
o Open and covert efforts to cause economic collapse of the society.
o All opposition is challenged and either eradicated or silenced.
o Mass execution of non-Muslims.
o Widespread ethnic cleansing by Islamic militias.
o Rejection and defiance of host society secular laws or culture.
o Murder of “moderate” Muslim intellectuals who don’t support Islamization.
o Destruction of churches, synagogues and other non-Muslim institutions.
o Women are restricted further in accordance with Sharia law.
o Large-scale destruction of population, assassinations, bombings.
o Toppling of government and usurpation of political power.
o Imposition of Sharia law

The website www.thereligionofpeace.com keeps track of the number of violent jihad attacks as best it can. The site lists more than 14,000 attacks since September 2001. It is worth a visit. What is occurring, however, that is likely inestimable are events where muslims are bullied by other muslims for not being “muslim enough,” where non-Muslims are intimidated into doing or not doing what they desire, where remnant populations are in a death spiral simply for being non-muslim in a predominantly muslim area. Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists Animists and Atheists meet with death, property destruction or confiscation, forced conversion, rape, excessive taxation (the jizya), enslavement, riotous mobs and various other forms of islam (in-) justice at the hands of muslims in Sudan, Philippines, Kenya, Malaysia, India, etc. And let us not forget ‘death to Apostates’ the world over.

STAGE 4: Totalitarian ISLAMIC “THEOCRACY”

Islam becomes the only religious-political-judicial-cultural ideology.
o Sharia becomes the “law of the land.
o All non-Islamic human rights cancelled.
o Enslavement and genocide of non-Muslim population.
o Freedom of speech and the press eradicated.
o All religions other than Islam are forbidden and destroyed.
o Destruction of all evidence of non-Muslim culture, populations and symbols in country (Buddhas, houses of worship, art, etc).

The House of Islam (“peace”), dar al-Islam, includes those nations that have submitted to Islamic rule, to the soul crushing, liberty-condemning, discriminatory law of Sharia. The rest of the world in in the House of War, dar al-harb, because it does not submit to Sharia, and exists in a state of rebellion or war with the will of ‘Allah.’ No non-Muslim state or its citizens are “innocent,” and remain viable targets of war for not believing in ‘Allah.’ The Christian, Jewish, Coptic, Hindu and Zoroastrian peoples of world have suffered under subjugation for centuries. The Dhimmi-esque are forbidden to construct houses of worship or repair existing ones, economically crippled by the heavy jizya (tax), socially humiliated, legally discriminated against, criminally targeted and generally kept in a permanent state of weakness, fear and vulnerability by Islamic governments.

It should be noted that forced conversions (Egypt) and slavery (Sudan) are still reported. Homosexuals have been hung in the public square in Iran. Young girls are married to old men. Apostates are threatened with death. “Honor” killings are routine. Women are legally second-class citizens, though Muslim males insist they are “treated better” than in the West. These more obvious manifestations may distract from some less obvious ones such as the lack of intellectual inquiry in science, narrow scope of writing, all but non-existent art and music, sexual use and abuse of youth and women, and the disregard for personal fulfillment, joy and wonder. Look into the eyes of a recently married 12 year old girl to see the consequence of the moral deprivation spawned by Islam.

Yes interesting alders I was reading that item yesterday.

Young girls are married to old men.

you mean like bernie ecclestone and harvey weinstock?

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much more seriously, from where did that analysis emanate?

of course, anyone with any knowledge knows that, unlike the version now hijacked and propounded by the fundamentalists, true islam and followers of the qran, not only advocate the education of women, but are also very accommodating to other beliefs

Aldwikk,
you are 100% correct.
We should deal with immigrants like Australia.
No tolerance. if don't like it, leave us alone and go back.

Sounds very much like what the Christians did for several hundred years.

I think, for everyone in the world, having Russian there is better than Nazis Hitler ......

What do u think?

Well thats true Hays but History is no defence.

That piece about Muslims has been around for quite a time. There are web pages containing it more than 2 years ago. It looks like it started out life in the US.

I don't think there is any deliberate intention to islamify other populations. That can't be said of Christian missionaries who used to execute indigenous populations who would not change their religions. Christians are still almost the only religion that sends out missionaries.

I didn't get any feed back from it yesterday goldie , so i thought i post it again. Its very scary because you can see it happening every were , the thing is will the moderate Muslim be strong enough to stand up against them. And will any British goverment put in place the law's to prevent this , when there are Muslim's in postions of power in this country and the fear of looseing vote's .

it's a mater of record that the americans weren't too keen on the irish and catholicism in the mid 1800's either

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ahoj - have you seen anything at all that informs us as to the provenance of the current bunch in ukraine?
some say that they neo-nazis (ultra-nationalists), but is that fair or accurate?
who sponsored them from the outset?
who promoted the unrest, for it's almost certain it was not spontaneous, even though the ukraine has much to detest russia for (genocide by imposed famine in the early 30s)?

Do you like Russians or the current Kiev administration in Ukraine?

I think Russians are better.

Watch RT channel to learn who some of these guys are. The MPs show 88 as a symbol of HH (Hi Hitler). Also Hitler symbol in their headquarters and in cities.

The situation is like Syria, we are ending up supporting extremists.

it's a mater of record that the americans weren't too keen on the irish and catholicism in the mid 1800's either


That and what haystack says is true, but this is year 2014 and it wasn't World wide and not has sophisticated as it is today.

I don't think it is sophisticated and world wide. Must Muslims are peaceful and just want a quiet life. If it is deliberate, then who is the organising force behind it?

That's their mentality.
When you allow practicing outside their premises, they become fundamentalists as they do not mix with normal population.

oops, repeated post removed.