Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

And the entire population of the continental United States should go back where they came from as they seized all the land of the native American peoples, subjugated and slaughtered the natives and have illegally occupied the land since 1620. Each time the natives attacked and attempted to throw the whites into the sea they lost land. All attacks by native Americans are entirely justified and will continue until the fascistic thieving terroristic invaders are thrown into the sea.
Now if the Israelis had treated the Palestinians the way the invading God fearing pilgrims and many who followed in their footsteps treated the natives the Palestinians would have real cause for complaint.
Of course not everything the Israelis do is right and some things are plain wrong and unjust, but they have always said they would trade land for peace and did so in Sinai and Gaza, withdrawing from those territories.
Personally I think there should be a complete halt to further settlements and we might see some progress in peace talks. Very many Israelis feel the same way, a minority don't. It's a democracy, not a fascist regime, you morons.
The vast majority of Israelis believe in a two state solution, as does the current government.
A large part of the problem is that the religious nutters, although a small minority, have a completely disproportionate influence on government policy because of the "perfect" system of proportional representation in the parliament. No party can govern decisively because they usually hold the balance of power.
That should be a lesson to us in the UK not to introduce PR here lest the Lib Dems forever form part of any viable government as a consequence.
This post and all of mine are not to "debate" with the parrot or freddie no brains etc., as you can't debate with the Goebbels of the world.
My posts are written simply because it is not right to let Nazi anti-semitic propaganda go unchallenged.

Looking at the beginning of most nations, they are conceived and born in pain and violence and some injustice to somebody. Israel and the Palestine-to-be are no exceptions.
And there are good and bad (and everything in between) people in all countries.
The simplistic hate filled propaganda and attempted demonisation and delegitimisation of Israel promulgated by certain unthinking dupes and parrots here is a simple and direct product of Hamas and Hizbollah propaganda.

Once again You talk nonsense. This has been going on in the lifetime of the people involved and is currently STILL going on. There are Palestinians losing their homes to Israel EVERY day. The current Israeli government only pays lip service to a two state solution. Settlement building has started again at twice the previous rate. They intend there to be no land left for the Palestinians.

The latest comments from Israel are that the Palestinians should all be moved to Jordan, the other side of the Jordan river thus giving Israel all the land west of Jordan. This gives them all of Gaza and all of the West Bank. Israel needs to be delegitimised.

Nazi and anti-semetic feelings have NOTHING to do with this conflict. It is about Israel as a country and its behaviour, not its religion that is the problem. It is only you that thinks it is anti-semetic. You are falling for the trick that Israel constantly plays on the world. Every time people criticise Iasrael they shout "anti-semitic". If a Jew criticises Israel then they shout "self hating Jew". This is where the propaganda comes from. Why do you think that Israel being a democracy stops it being fascist? People can vote for what is effectively fascism.

Stopping settlement building won't bring peace. Israel would have to abandon all the settlements that have been built over the years, move back to earlier borders and allow all the million plus refugee Palestinians to move back to their land. Israel won't do that so there will be no peace. In fact quite the opposite. There will be war again and soon.

and as a cheerful wish for all in 2011 .... may the rabid dogs and polemicists who infest this site chew each other to bits and be turned into bonemeal where they will at least do some good for the roses and vegetables

The only rabdi dog here is IOTLOTB. No one else indulges in agressive language. I fear 2011 will be a worse year for the Middle East.

so you think you should be perceived as a promoter of common sense and peace?
hitler liked to promote that image too

Hitler has no bearing on these discussions. Why is he even mentioned? The Israeli government is behaving more like Hitler if you want a comparison. I do want peace in the region. you won't get it until there is somwe justice for the Palestinians. Remind me again why Israel exists or has the right to exist on land taken from other people. The Balfour declaration was not something that the Arabs agreed to. The UN resolutions partitioning palestine was not agreed to by the Arabs (part of that partitioning was that Israel should not then expand).

engage a brain cell if you have one and answer the very simple question asked, and not the one you wish or imagine had been asked - i know you have always found that very difficult, but if you really really concentrate, you may just manage it

That is not an answer. The real answer is that Israel has no right to exists and only does so by force of arms.

zzzzzzzzzz....................
Now, now, hay parrot, take the tablets and lie down in a cool dark room.
You know it makes sense.

answer to my question ..... no surprise; Haystack is incapable of doing so

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try this quotation my little simpleton .....

"History is more or less bunk. It's tradition. We don't want tradition. We want to live in the present, and the only history that is worth a tinker's damn is the history that we make today." - Henry Ford. 1916.

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now try to comment is less than 20 words why the Balfour Declaration (1917/1922) - 88/93 years ago to help your arithmetic - is now invalid even though it was approved by all 51 countries who comprised the League of Nations (precursor to UN)

you didn't know that?
oh, but i would have thought with all your ranting you would at least have done some pretty basic homework to make sure your argument had a sound footing

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now try to enlighten us all, why you think you should be perceived as a promoter of common sense and peace? - again in less than 20 words

And while you're at it, the UN voted for the existence of Israel, remember?
And while you're at it, remember it was you who proclaimed you were not objective and saw no reason why you should be?
Conflicts exist all over the world and often the only solution is division of land between two different groups,
e.g. Israel/Palestine
Cyprus into Greek and Turkish areas
Ireland into the North and the Free State
The Indian sub-continent into India and Pakistan West and East and then the latter into Bangla Desh
and so on.
And in all of them, tragic suffering and injustice on both sides in the birth of nationhood.
And why do I say hay parrot is a Nazi anti-semite? Read his post on the mad rabbi and identifying the Jewish religion........
As he gets more hysterical his true colours become even more obvious to all but the blind.
Read my post 3901. You can see why the objectivity there upsets the parrot as it underlines his total lack of humanity and objectivity.
Carry on hay parrot, "master" of copy and paste, screamer of slogans, you only show yourself to be what you are - a small minded FANATIC

ITLOB - read above

but i also quote below from the Balfour Declaration (1917) and from Churchill in 1922

His Majestys Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.



When it is asked what is meant by the development of the Jewish National Home in Palestine, it may be answered that it is not the imposition of a Jewish nationality upon the inhabitants of Palestine as a whole, but the further development of the existing Jewish community, with the assistance of Jews in other parts of the world, in order that it may become a centre in which the Jewish people as a whole may take, on grounds of religion and race, an interest and a pride. But in order that this community should have the best prospect of free development and provide a full opportunity for the Jewish people to display its capacities, it is essential that it should know that it is in Palestine as of right and not on sufferance.

Winston Churchill
British Secretary of State for the Colonies
June 1922


Israel should remember and take note of the highlighted clause in the Balfour Declaration, and the loonies both here and in M/E should do similar with the clause I highlighted from Churchill

Yes, I agree with that completely, cynic.
Wrong has been done on both sides, I would be the first to agree.

But I won't sit and read the hatred and sloganeering of the fahels, freddie no brains, hay parrot etc to go without a response.

Only a mindless fanatic fuelled by hatred says such disputes as I've listed are the responsibility of one side only.

PS cynic, don't be unreasonable with the parrot, only ask questions of hay parrot the answers to which are available on line for him to copy and paste......

i have found a couple of interesting maps too showing the original proposal for the land to be assigned to the Jewish National Home in 1920, and the subsequent land agreed/ratified unanimously by the League of Nations in 1922 .... the latter reduced the land by 77%, but comprised the entire area west of the Jordan (+ the Golan Heights interestingly) to the Mediterranean .... that coastline stretched from (near) Metullah in the north to Rafah in the south

This area was (conveniently) labelled Jewish Palestine, whereas east of the Jordan was (equally conveniently) labelled Arab Palestine (Trans-Jordan)

It is irrelevant that Briitain or the League of Nations made the declaration. The Arabs were opposed to at the time. It has no force of law then or now.

is that so .... and did the american indian nations agree to be destroyed by the white man? .... did persia agree to be invaded by the golden horde? ..... did the australian aborigines ask to have their traditional lands subsumed into australia? ..... what about the zulus and other tribes in the various nations(!!) of the whole african continent? ....

don't be such a total pratt - though i know that is asking the impossible

You get to a point when you can only laugh at hay brain LOL

And do pray tell us oh Mighty Hay Brain, Creator of his own law and justice, which country's borders should be moved to which lines which were extant at which years.
Feel free to go back 10, 50, 100, 1000 years oh Font of All Truth, The Holy One.
Oh Dear Leader, Giver of Wisdom, do instruct us which are valid laws, which are valid peace settlements, which are valid borders, which are thy Holy Truths which we must OBEY on pain of death, which terrorists are freedom fighters, AND ABOVE ALL, WHOM CAN WE KILL AND DESTROY WITH THY HOLY JUSTIFICATION.
Heil Haymaker !!! Fuhrer of the World !!! Thy Peace, Thy Reich, Shall Last 1000 years !!! Blessed Art Thou, GIVER OF THE LAW !!!

cynic
The problems with the American indians occured hundreds of years ago. The Middle East is happening now. I thought we had developed more humane ways to behave than then. Israel is still displacing Palestinians now. Their land and houses are being taken every day. As far as I know only Egypt among the Arab nations has ever recognised Israel and that was not until 1978. In fact the Arab League moved its base from Cairo because of it. Israel has not accepted properly that the Palestinians will not give up their resistance to their land being taken. The only way ahead is more conflict.

This is a story from today

Jewish settlers seized 60 dunums of Palestinian land near the village of Jalud south of Nablus, ploughed the land, and surrounded it with a fence, local sources said.

They said that tens of settlers on Tuesday took control of the piece of land, the second within two weeks.

The 1,000-inhabitant village of Jalud is surrounded by four settlements