Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

exec - i suspect many will follow your line

UKIP can't get you out no matter what they say. It is a wasted vote at both elections. The Europe election will generate a lot of UKIP MEPs who will do nothing for you. They don't bother to vote most of the time and just turn up to get their dailiky allowance. The GE will generate approximately zero MPs and will have no influence on anything.

cynic

I was thinking of a decent majority of more like the 128 Thatcher got against Michael Foot.

that was a potential, and many would say actual, disaster .... you need an opposition that can exert some influence and tempering of policies that may not be in the country's long term interest

I think we have to get used to not being able to leave the EU. The Libs love the EU as does the Labour party. The difference is that Labour say they will have a referendum if there are adverse changes in legislation within the EU. UKIP have not and will not acquire the power to do anything about the EU.

That leaves us with the Conservatives. They have promised an IN/OUT referendum and I believe we will get it. There is a caveat though. We will get the referendum after a period during which Cameron will discuss changes in our relationship with the EU and the repealing of a number of EU laws. Cameron is in favour of the EU. You can be sure that Cameron will campaign for an IN vote. When you add that to the fact that the polls show a majority in favour of staying if get improved conditions and about even if we don't, then we will end up staying in. That will settle the debate for a generation.

That is what Wilson promised!

HS2 bill passed with 452 in favour and 41 against.

Another £60 billion plus that we don't have.

great move...trebles all round!

I am gobsmacked at the HS2 vote!

What an utter total waste of money!

Top 10 transportation systems of the future

I'm voting UKIP just to piz you off Mr Haystack one track mind springs to mind. EU is destroying Nations culture and identity. In years to come we'll have a hotch potch of different cultures all divided.We are storing up trouble for or children, at least Farage has the balls to do what he's doing. That Glegg is a numb nuts a total waste of space the sort that lets things drift along regardless of the outcome. The problem is it's too late to reverse these peoples decisions a lot of the time TOO LATE .

I would like to leave the EU, but it just isn't going to happen.

Ah, so you admit it's all a sham.

No. Not a sham, but in the end the public will vote to stay in.

ok, we'll see when we get the €uro vote counted.

The Euro vote won't change anything. It can't. Even if UKIP got all the votes, we would still stay in. Winning in the EU elections gains them nothing.

One track mind .

UKIP will only do well in the EU elections because of their proportional voting system where 20% of the votes gives you 20% of the MEPs. Our GE is first past the post. 20% will get you zero MPs.

Here it comes, the last resort of a terrified talking class.




Ukip condemned by cross-party group for running 'racist' campaign

Aggressive move accusing Nigel Farage's party of 'Euracism' comes as study puts anti-EU vote in Europe at 30%

Special report: EU braced for influx of rebels after elections



Patrick Wintour, Nicholas Watt and Severin Carrell


The Guardian, Monday 28 April 2014 20.07 BST



Ukip leader Nigel Farage campaigning in Gateshead for the European elections. Photograph: Ian Forsyth/Getty Images


The first cross-party campaign to condemn Nigel Farage's party as racist is to be launched this week amid fresh polls showing Ukip may come first across England in the European elections in May.

The campaign is led by the former Labour immigration minister Barbara Roche, who claimed: "Ukip's campaign needs to be exposed for what it is, a racist campaign. The party is practising what is in effect a form of 'Euracism'. They are deploying the same language and tactics used by openly racist parties like the BNP, but instead of targeting migrants from Africa and Asia they are targeting migrants from within the EU."

Labour and Tory jitters over the rise of Ukip – which led European election opinion polls for the first time over the weekend – are manifesting in an increasingly public debate in both parties about whether to attack it or oppose its anti-immigration policies.

It comes as one Europe-wide study suggested that anti-EU parties such as Ukip could win more than 30% of the vote across the continent next month. Calculations by the Open Europe thinktank suggest hardline sceptics could take as many as 218 of the 751 seats available – although this conclusion was has been challenged by other analysts. A second poll put Ukip neck and neck with Labour in England, but trailing in Scotland and Wales.

The new anti-Ukip campaign, backed by social media and posters, is supported by the all-party Migration Matters Trust. Migration Matters is co-sponsored by the Conservative Nadim Zahawi and by the Liberal Democrat deputy leader in the Lords, Lord Dholakia.



More: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/28/ukip-european-election-accused-of-racism