Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Why should the taxpayer have to keep a professional childbearer in the style they have become accustomed to?

so you'ld effectively make everything retrospective
having done that, said tenant will no longer be able to pay the landlord, creating different problems

the landlord therefore kicks out the tenant, and as that tenant is now made homeless, i am virtually certain that the council now is then obligated to find alternative accommodation ...... and so on

and if that accommodation under the "new rules" is a house/home effectively just suitable for 1 adult and 2 children, presumably they will be living in exceedingly cramped conditions and further, the benefits will presumably be insufficient to feed 5
do you therefore take pre-emptive action by putting the children in care? ..... hardly beneficial for the child either

ExecLine 14 May 2014 11:05 - 40658 of 40664

Your post above.

May I suggest you get your facts right before having a blast off at me.

Im all for scroungers having their benefits capped and asked to find work.

Your post mentions "hard working people"..........please explain to me how someone with terminal cancer can be considered for work and to be a hard working person.!!!!!!

If you had got your facts right you would see that my posts are directed at cuts against Disabled and genuinely poorly people. I actually give most of my weekend up for an online charity helping this group out. hAVE YOU ANY IDEA HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE COMITTED SUICIDE AND DIED UNDER ID SMITHS REGIME. iTS OVER 20,000 at the last count and thats shamefull.

I do often comment though on food banks and why they are necessary for WORKING PEOPLE and also why are these so called hard working people having to claim benefits.

So please sir in the future dont slag me off without first doing your research correctly.

Hays dont Kid yourself that news was interpreted so differently on both sides of the news TV channels.

Even SKY were pointing to economists who think they will be raised before December.

trying fishing again to day? :-)

this is a synopsis of the article i mentioned early this morning ....

The Bank of England has held interest rates at a record low of 0.5pc since March 2009. Markets expect rates to remain there for around nine more months before policymakers start raising them ….
Markets believe the Bank of England will tighten policy six months before the Fed does, although they also expect rises in the UK to be more gradual than in the US.

Growth
The UK economy expanded by 0.8pc in the first three months of this year, marking five consecutive quarters of growth. This is much stronger than the run of growth seen in 2011

House prices
There is only one way prices are moving at the moment: and that's up.
However, it is unlikely that the Bank will raise rates to try and control a housing boom. It is likely to rely on macro-prudential measures such as forcing borrowers to raise higher deposits to cool the market, rather than monetary policy.

External factors
The euro-area economy succumbed to a recession for the second time in four years in 2012 as governments imposed tougher budget cuts
While the eurozone has recorded three consecutive quarters of positive growth, unemployment remains stubbornly high and there is now a real threat that the bloc could slip into deflation.

Moving monetary policy towards normality will remain a tricky task for all central banks.

DWP refuses to provide information on ESA/IB deaths. What is it hiding?
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Tuesday
Jun 2013
Posted by Mike Sivier in Benefits, Conservative Party

Brian McArdle. On the BBC’s Question Time in November last year, Iain Duncan Smith flew into a rage when Owen Jones challenged him about what happened to Mr McArdle, “57 years old, paralysed down one side, blind in one eye; he couldn’t speak. He died one day after being found ‘fit for work’ by Atos.”

Long-term readers may recall there was quite a stir last year when these figures were released, showing that around 73 people were dying every week after having been denied ESA or put in the work-related activity group.

This was more than twice as many as the previously-accepted figure of 32 people every week (which was still scandalous).

I received word of the cover-up last night, from Samuel Miller, the long-time friend of Vox Political who has been liaising with the United Nations about the Coalition government’s record on disability and incapacity benefits and the possibility that the Coalition is committing crimes against humanity.

“Just received word from the DWP that they will NOT release an update to ‘Incapacity Benefits: Deaths of recipients’,” he wrote.

“Is this tantamount to a cover-up of thousands of deaths and/or has mortality of the sick and disabled become too politicized for the government?

“Needless to say, I am furious.”

The response from the DWP runs as follows:

“Thank you for your email and apologies for the delay in responding.

“The publication you refer to was released on Department’s website as an ad-hoc statistical analysis publication. As such there is no intention of releasing an updated version of these statistics.” [Emphasis mine]

The “delay in responding” was a particularly long one. Mr Miller sent, by email, a copy of the original acknowledgement he received from the DWP, dated – if you can believe it – November 16, 2012. Were they hoping he would forget about it?

That letter stated: “I am sorry that the information you require is not readily available. As this would take a considerable length of time to pull together I am unable, at this stage, to tell you when the next report will be available.”

Never, if the department has its way, it seems.

This is not good enough, and we would be letting down everybody who has died if we let it pass.

I have therefore, today, sent a Freedom of Information request to the DWP, asking almost exactly the same questions as those to which ‘Incapacity Benefits: Deaths of recipients’ responds.

Sent to ministers@dwp.gsi.gov.uk and under the title ‘Freedom of Information requests’, it runs as follows:

“Please provide the number of Incapacity Benefit and Employment and Support Allowance claimants who have died in 2012. Please break that figure down into the following categories:

Those who are in the assessment phase
Those who were found fit for work
Those who were placed in the work-related activity group
Those who were placed in the support group
Those who have an appeal pending
“I am aware that the Department for Work and Pensions came under criticism last year because it did not follow up on the conditions of people who had been found fit for work and signed off the benefit. It is to be hoped that this has been rectified and follow-up checks have been carried out. If this is the case, please provide details of:

Former ESA/IB claimants who have died after being put onto Jobseekers’ Allowance
Former ISA/IB claimants who were taken off benefit but put onto no other means of support, and the number of these who have died.
“Thank you for your co-operation in this matter.”

I strongly urge you to do the same. There is strength in numbers.

Cynic time for a game of golf up at the bum chum club.

may well play tomorrow afternoon with one of my medic pals .... i always thought rugby forwards were more fitted(!) for being bum chums, especially with communal baths after the game

on my return, i hope to see that you've improved your non-existent powers of paraphrasing :-)

This debate earlier about benefits and the large sums some people are getting.

I notice they havent mentioned in that newspaper the figures qouted by Ester Mc vey relate in most situations to people living in LONDON and the biggest part of the benefit is HOUSING BENEFIT not out of work benefits in fact most of these people are actualy IN WORK.

Its the HIGH OUT OF CONTROL RENTS that as led to Housing Benefit spiraling upwards.

Boris Johnson said 2 years ago when IDS placed the £25 grand cap "over my dead body" will social cleansing take place in London.

But thats just what as happened.

£25 grand in London doesnt pay for much, and the cap as led to families 350 in Brent being moved out to the Midlands and Manchester.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE KICKED OUT OF YOUR HOUSE and lose all your family and, freinds?

So come on lets get it right, lets stop being ignorant, its the cost of housing that as led to these high benefit payments in the majority of cases.

Cynic watch it im 6ft 9 3/4inch, I could pick you up with one hand and sling you further than you can hit a golf ball.

is that why you're deemed a bully in your locale?
:-)

Yes , people know if they disrespect me they get a clip around the ear.

Its the HIGH OUT OF CONTROL RENTS that as led to Housing Benefit spiraling upwards.
really? ..... i was under the impression that regardless of what landlords might ask by way of rent, the benefit allowance was capped at a pretty modest level
mind you, that then gives rise to the question of how some seem to manage to get the council to pay for some pretty extravagant housing

40675 - ah, so you are indeed a bully ..... i was taught very early on that you have to earn not demand respect

of course bullies and thugs have long used fear of retribution to cow others, but that does not mean they are respected

http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2014/05/14/both-lab-and-ukip-drop-4-in-latest-ipsos-mori-poll-with-the-greens-jumping-5/

Both LAB and Ukip drop 4% in latest Ipsos-MORI poll with the Greens jumping 5

Dont you worry Cynic, Im so respected up here nobody dare say anything against me and no Im not a bully I just fight back if somebody does something against me.

nobody dare say anything against me .... perhaps says it all

YAWN!

The rents are capped at high levels in london but unfortunately for some (and MOST are working) the cap is too low and the family cant scrape together the difference they need to live in their present homes. The landlord evicts them, he knows he as a ready made replacement with demand being far greater than supply.

Its social cleansing at its worst.

That piece from the newspaper is so so conflicting not telling you those figures included working people and not saying it was in and around london.

Thats why so many people are hoodwinked these days into believing the right wing press but just wait until the down turn comes and its their turn to bite the bullet.