Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Nick Clegg has since changed his mind, and is in favour of a referendum.

How true that is, is another matter.

But it could be tested if Cameron had any balls!

By the way, Clegg is opposed to an EU referendum dispite putting out a leaflet in favour of it



He changed his mind in 2013 and opposed a referendum.

There are now rumours that he may now support one. There is now not the parliamentary time to introduce the legislation before the election.

Max.

I would suggest that when you have an operation that you ask your surgeon to put high heels on and leave his watch on when or if he scrubs up.

I wonder why the "rules" have been suggested!

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But good to see the 2 spivs Dave and Nigel are trying to out do one another.

Indeed Haystack, that's why I want to call their bluff (all of them)

Fred.

If you look at the proposers of this legislation, you will get a good idea of where this type of thing is heading.

The government is planning to reintroduce the 2017 enabling bill in the coming months effectively daring the other parties to vote it down again. Clegg is still maintaining his opposition to a referendum, but is being nagged by his colleagues to support it. The plan is to leave Labour exposed and isolated. It may still get voted down in the Lords though. The government could force it through I suppose using the Parliament Act which imposes the supremacy of the Commons on the Lords. This is not really the purpose of the PA though as it was intended to force through Bills that are important regarding taxes and revenue. Tony Blair did use it in a doubtfully legal way to force the hunting ban legislation.

There is a lot more support for Cameron's view on Europe. Several key leaders are privately on his side. Several leaders, yesterday said they supported Cameron in his reform views. They included Merkel, the Dutch and Swedish PMs and a few others.

Hunt was right today when he said that many of the EU leaders were cowards not to admit their true feelings over Juncker.

It is pity that Cameron can't spend his time formulating policies for the future rather poncing around political stunting for his own party purposes and hoping for the return somed other reactionaries voters, who have deserted to UKIP or BNP.

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Max,

What has surprised me when I have come across laws, rules, regulations, or similar and been irritated by them is often when I examined them I understood the reasons for the introduction of them and what they were attempting to safeguard against.

That doesn't mean the grownups shouldn't challenge and change outdated or badly drawn up rules, or that those rules should not sometimes be ignored.

Also, remember the fuss about speed limits on motor ways, wearing crash helmets etc. rules which are now accepted by those with normal intelligence.

It is good to see Cameron stood up at the wrong time, but I wonder if he has enough back bone to stand up to Wee Alec or Nigel in a public or TV debate?

Some say he is running scared!

If Scotland vote for independence Cameron will be known as the PM who gave away Scotland and got himself kicked out of Europe!

Congratulations!

Fitting role.

Junker cant be all bad, he likes a fag and a pint.


Should get on alright with Nigel.

29-06-2014


LAB 37%, CON 33%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%”


Labour Majority of 30 MPS.


Haze huff and puff like Cameron!

There was also a Survation poll in the Mail on Sunday with fieldwork conducted on Friday (tabs here).

Topline figures there were CON 27%(nc), LAB 36%(+4), LDEM 7%(-2), UKIP 22%(-1).

The rest of the poll dealt mostly with Juncker, and again opinions are split largely along existing party lines – so 38% saw Cameron’s opposition to Juncker as a sign of strength, 36% as a sign of weakness… but 75% of Tories thought it was a sign of strength, 57% of Labour voters thought it was a sign of weakness.

There was also a Survation poll in the Mail on Sunday with fieldwork conducted on Friday (tabs here).

Topline figures there were CON 27%(nc), LAB 36%(+4), LDEM 7%(-2), UKIP 22%(-1).

The rest of the poll dealt mostly with Juncker, and again opinions are split largely along existing party lines – so 38% saw Cameron’s opposition to Juncker as a sign of strength, 36% as a sign of weakness… but 75% of Tories thought it was a sign of strength, 57% of Labour voters thought it was a sign of weakness.

There was also a Survation poll in the Mail on Sunday with fieldwork conducted on Friday (tabs here).

Topline figures there were CON 27%(nc), LAB 36%(+4), LDEM 7%(-2), UKIP 22%(-1).

The rest of the poll dealt mostly with Juncker, and again opinions are split largely along existing party lines – so 38% saw Cameron’s opposition to Juncker as a sign of strength, 36% as a sign of weakness… but 75% of Tories thought it was a sign of strength, 57% of Labour voters thought it was a sign of weakness.


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Mind UKIP and tories have much in common with football hooligans.

Just as you with an apparatchik

" Mind UKIP and tories have much in common with football hooligans. "



How do you come to that conclusion Fred?