Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

it's an interesting case though, probably with quite far-reaching consequences with regard to other "imaginative" tax sheltering (avoidance) schemes

gold . no my brother gets £1200 a year pays tax and can get no benefits only heating allowance ,as to pay is rent and rates my friend a lady gets £130 a week pays no tax and gets her rent paid and reduced c/t she is far better off than my brother who worked all is life
the labour government policy of pushing people in to low paid jobs and make up the wage with benefits is the problem .if the job does not pay the min wage then it is not a job .
min wage £248 a week , most pensioners on £ 145 a week and most have to pay their way .

TANKER if your brother gets heating allowance he is getting a benefit.

Thats the only way you become entitled to it.

I think you brother must be telling you a few fibs.

not if he's 65+ :-)

gold no facts to get benefits like housing benefit you have to get pension credits he does not .if you pay tax you get no benefit help .thought you new these things

I a 67 and I get no benefits only heating allowance

gold you have still not answer my question . should we tell our children to spend their money and not save and rely on the tax payers to foot their bills simple answer YES OR NO

Hes 67 then he does get a benefit he gets a State Pension which is a Benefit dont forget that.

I said the same thing to my auntie and she said she didnt get any benefits, I said I thought you just been to pick your pension up at the post office, I pointed out it was the Biggest benefit of all.

Now your second question yes I get what you are saying they are getting what used to be the supplemantary benefit to top up their basic pension and yes I agree with you on that point its not fair especialy when these people havent paid into the system but unfotunately you just cant kick people out onto the street its up to the working person to make the best investment decisions they can make and hope to outperform the basic payable pension.

stretching it a bit to call one's pension a benefit but still
what happens if, for whatever reasons, you haven't made (m)any pension contributions during your potential working life?
do you still qualify for a full state pension?

CYNIC THEY MAKE IT UP TO £130 AWEEK PLUS FREE RENT AND C.T


GOLD ANSWER MY QUESTION YES OR NO TO SPENDING THEIR MONEY AND RELY ON THE STATE SIMPLE ANSWER YES OR NO

THE PUB DOWN THE ROAD FULL EVER DAY WITH DOLE DOSSERS
THE WORKERS AT THE LOCAL FACTORY CAN NOT EVEN AFFORD TO GO TWICE A WEEK . KIDS IN PRAMS AT THE PUB DOORS

I have answerd your question I agree with you TANKER. What your forgeting is these people that you are making out to be scroungers and they possibly are DONT have the chance to contribute to a PRIVATE PENSION and I dare say it looks like they are having a swell time BUT ARE THEY REALLY.........would you like to live in a -hit hole, would you like to be without say an holiday abroad, would you like to have just one pot noodle meal a day, would you like to be handed hand downs from a charity shop.

What your forgetting is that these people in general have had a bad bringing up and have nothing to look forward to nor nothing to lose and know no better as thier parents were mostly brought up that way aswel.

Can you really say your standard of living isnt a lot better than thiers??? It should be.

Cynic you get pension credits which then are paid out as a basic state pension.

By the way it is called THE DEPARTMENT FOR WORK AND PENSIONS

He is an .. looking bug which reminded me that the cartoon is missing!

This not so "amusing"!

When I go to the Dordogne I will be taking grandson to Oradour-sur-glane:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/german-prosecutors-zero-in-on-ss-massacre-in-oradour-sur-glane-a-959577.html

GOLD OK. BUT I SEE THESE SO CALLED HARD PEOPLE EVER DAY .they are better off than the people working fact not fiction .who ever comes to power the benefit system
as got to be dealt with when it pays not to work their is something wrong and must be addressed .

Well you should be blaming Ian Duncan Smith then.

How can someone working who as their own home be worse off than these scroungers.

Average price of an house what about £265 grand.

Do you really think these scroungers have got anywhere near that in assets.??

The only assets they have are the rags on their backs and a few replacements in thier rented house.

Now come on TANKER Ive conceded a lot of ground to you today NOW its your turn to ANSWER THE QUESTION.

ever one unemployed for over 6 months should be sent to the council to do local cleaning paths old peoples gardens and loads more tasks and made to sign on ever morning with a clock card .and if some one else clocks in for them stop their dole

gold they do not were rags

gold they do not were rags