Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

derF, there are many which I disagree with but you ask, which do I disagree with the most, so it has to be the fact that despite a government's primary aim to keep it's citizens safe he is prepared to do absolutely diddley squat to defend us, even if the country was about to be nuked. Fortunately he will never be in such a position.

Barrow boys, didn't that staunch Labour supporter/contributor and 'Remain' supporter Alan Sugar start out as a barrow boy?
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When i saw Farage on youtube he said he was not there to support Trump ,he did say however that Clinton would be a disaster ,maybe that has changed i don't know .

That's rich Fred calling someone a barrow boy, he picks and chooses which working classes he likes for instance he hates travellers but loves immigrants even the roma gypsies with 10 kids milking our housing benefit .

at least the romas are a true ethnic minority - and indeed have been persecuted across europe for generations
on the other hand, the crook gypsy "travellers" - usually irish - who have attached themselves to the roma bandwagon, are a blight

Your missing the point ,Fred's meant to love everyone .

i don't care what fred thinks; i was merely making a comment about the blight of the so-called irish travellers - aka pikeys

Weren't the Jews persecuted for generations?

From Wikipedia re Irish Travellers, maybe the so-called is uncalled for :) Most is speculatation - who knows? :

The historical origins of Irish Travellers as an ethnic group has been a subject of academic and popular debate. Such discussions have been difficult as Irish Travellers left no written records of their own. They may be of Romani extraction, although this theory is disputed and theories of pre-Celt origin also exist. Jean-Pierre Liégeois (fr) wrote that the Irish Traveller Gammon vocabulary is derived from pre-13th-century Celtic idioms with ten percent Indian origin Romani language vocabulary. Celtic language expert Kuno Meyer and Romani language linguist John Sampson both asserted that Shelta existed as far back as the 13th century, 300 years before the first Romani populations arrived on the island of Britain.
Their origin is genetically Irish, with around 10,000 people in the United States being descendants of Travellers who left Ireland, mostly during the period between 1845 and 1860 during the Great Famine. About 2,500 of them live in Murphy Village, a community outside North Augusta, South Carolina.
In 2011 an analysis of DNA from 40 Travellers was undertaken at the Royal College of Surgeons in Dublin and the University of Edinburgh. The study provided evidence that Irish Travellers are a distinct Irish ethnic minority, who separated from the settled Irish community at least 1000 years ago; the claim was made that they are as distinct from the settled community as Icelanders are from Norwegians. Irish Travellers "left no written record of their own" and their families do not date back to the same point in time; some families adopted Traveller customs centuries ago, while others did so more recently. It is unclear how many Irish Travellers would be included in this distinct ethnic group at least from a genetic perspective.
Among other speculation on their origins, "two theories are rejected outright": that they were descended from those Irish who were made homeless by Oliver Cromwell's military campaign in Ireland in the 1650s, or made homeless in the 1840s famine due to eviction. Other speculation includes that they are the descendants of the aristocratic nomads of the Clan Murtagh O'Connors in the Late Middle Ages. Their nomadism was based on cattle-herds or creaghts.

cynic(5021). Thats what they call jumping on the liberal lefty media bandwagon, (brainwashed),and people SHOULD really find out the true facts.

Nigel Farage didn't endorse D.Trump..His speech was about the underdog
triumphing against the big business and the establishment and the liberal
left media..

Appearing on stage with Trump is endorsing him. Naive to think otherwise.

Trump is bad and Clinton is badder... :) It is like rating Corbyn and Smith. I pity the US electorate. Choose between a nutter and a habitual liar.

Interesting story about rape case against Trump

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/10619944

Nothing to do with being naive, UKIP was/is all about railing against the
establishment and the liberal left media and big business, Nigel Farage was
making a speech on the underdog which UKIP have had plenty of experience
over the last 20 odd years, and which many commentors believe that Trump
is the underdog.

Nigel Farage was there to instill the belief into the Trump side into believing that
they could succeed against the odds..Just like BREXIT!!

Yes. Supporting and endorsing another rabble rouser both with redneck racist supporters

All I know is that when the chips are down, I'd rather have rednecks going over the parapet with me than seeing bleeding heart liberals disappear from view.

But actual life does not involve going over the parapet. In that eventuality, psychopaths and crazies and the gullible are useful.

It,

I also would prefer the rednecks and fellow travellers over the parapets first.

I had a parapet once , a Norwegian Blue it was , it's dead now though , took it back to the Pet shop , the trouble I had .

Haystacks comes across as one of those leaders from the saying....

Lions led by Donkeys....Haystack being one of those Donkey's...He Haw!!!

In other words a prick.

The thing about 'travellers' is that they can get away with incredible feats of civil crime because they are people of 'no fixed abode'.

ie. There is nowhere to send the default summons if you want to sue them for damages, default, non-payment, not doing the job properly, cheating you with a bad job (eg, the beautiful layer of tarmac is later found to be only 1/8th of an inch thick in places).

Now they know this - but most of their punters don't. Cheating stupid punters and moving on to the next job in a new area becomes a way of life.

Check out the sign writing on the side of their white vans and trucks. If there is a phone number then it will only be a mobile one. There's never a landline phone number or an address.

One used to be able to assess their wealth in horses. Nowadays, it's been usually been laundered into property, Mercedes (or similar) cars and extremely luxurious caravans.

PS. Take care never to get cursed by an old gypsy lady. You could end up dying from laughing yourself to death.

The problem is they come continually from Ireland . On Anglesea they want to build 5 new transit camps to cater for them , it's a never ending problem . The newer ones just dump themselves on private property dump their waste and filth and move on leaving councils to clear up after them . Basically they are vermin .