Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

The question of what was there before the universe is not a helpful one. The lack of an answer is more likely to be due current lack of understanding of what started it.

The numbers have a pattern because numbers are like that. Patterns of seeds in a sunflower head etc being Fibonacci numbers are purely because of the way that it grows. It is the same with fractals in leaf shapes etc. The numbers just describe the growing process and should treated as having special significance. I see no need for an intelligent hand in any of the universe.

You would also have to wonder at the purpose of 'God' creating the universe. Was he bored with all his toys? Why does he let awful things happen to people and children in particular? This all powerful, all knowing 'God' would be fully aware of the terrible consequences of giving people free will. That being the case, 'God' would be complicit in outcomes. The response I have had to that from religious people is the phrase "It is not for the pot to question the potter"; very convenient.

The standard answer in the Catholic catechism is as follows

1. Who made you?
God made me.

2. Why did God make you?
God made me to know him, love him and serve him in this world, and to be happy with him for ever in the next.

3. To whose image and likeness did God make you?
God made me to his own image and likeness.

If you want to read the rest (it only gets worse)

http://www.proecclesia.com/penny%20catechism/index.htm

I think it was a natural thing for early man to invent a being who was looking after him. When good things happened then he must have pleased this being and when bad things happened then he must have displeased the being and had been 'bad'. Of course it was difficult to know what was good or bad in relation to the being. This must have led to choosing people who's job it was to divine these things. In time 'priests' appeared. Of course, these priests had to justify their existence. Now we have a feedback system with the priests dreaming up more and more rituals and rules and reacting to crop failures, weather, disasters, and disease with more rules.
We are now a short hop skip and a jump from the present day and all the harm that religion does.

Or "good" those who have a "belief" have done or are doing,

The problem I have always had with "belief" in a "god" is that it is not self explaining.(Shortcut.)

The opposite to 'existence', I suppose, would be some kind of a 'void', a sort of total nothingness.

So, put quite simply:

Since 'existence' exists, then there cannot possibly be a 'creator God'.

Ummmmh!

piss off fred! ..... i don't get back to uk until this (sunday) afternoon - still saturday here

Cynic,

Are you back yet?

Would like your update on what to do in Libya.

i'm back but confess i have not been keeping abreast of the libyan stalemate, nor for that matter, similar nastiness in syria where no action seems to be even envisaged by anyone, let alone enacted

8 asians in court in telford wellington for rapeing young girls .some has young as 13 what kind of people are these sub humans

bbc news . pakistani child forced into suicide vest .

this tells you all .sub humans

doesn't count - they were jewish!

Shipwreck,

Other than venting your obvious spleen, what relevance do your postings 5348 and 5349 have to the topic.

And for balance would you list some of the Israeli, British, American and atrocities of other countries for comparison.

Perhaps, it might enable more moderate discussion than you wish.

Does this have some validity?





The bottom line: The Arabs aren't happy!
They're not happy in Gaza.
They're not happy in Egypt.
They're not happy in Libya.
They're not happy in Morocco.
They're not happy in Iran.
They're not happy in Iraq.
They're not happy in Yemen.
They're not happy in Afghanistan.
They're not happy in Pakistan.
They're not happy in Syria.
They're not happy in Lebanon.

And where are they happy?
They're happy in England.
They're happy in France.
They're happy in Italy.
They're happy in Germany.
They're happy in Sweden.
They're happy in the USA.
They're happy in Norway.
They're happy in every country that is not Muslim.

And who do they blame?
Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves.
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN.

fred, you dope - their relevance is that they wind you up, just as late-lamented clubby's did

The bottom line: The Arabs aren't happy!
They're not happy in Gaza.
They're not happy in Egypt.
They're not happy in Libya.
They're not happy in Morocco.
They're not happy in Iran.
They're not happy in Iraq.
They're not happy in Yemen.
They're not happy in Afghanistan.
They're not happy in Pakistan.
They're not happy in Syria.
They're not happy in Lebanon.

And where are they happy?
They're happy in England.
They're happy in France.
They're happy in Italy.
They're happy in Germany.
They're happy in Sweden.
They're happy in the USA.
They're happy in Norway.
They're happy in every country that is not Muslim.

And who do they blame?
Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves.
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN.

AND THEY ARE HAPPY IN ISRAEL, OR ELSE THERE WOULDN'T BE 1.2 MILLION OF THEM LIVING THERE ! LOL

They are not happy in Israel. There are lots of Arabs living in Israel as that is their country - Palestine. It just happens to be called Israel temporarily.

stupid pratt! ..... and that's the politest version around

There has been increasing talk durng the last two weeks of an Israel that is NOT a Jewish state and home to Jews and Arabs.

Skinny,

Who previously misruled in the first list of Middle East countries.

Who were pulling the strings in those countries after being kick out of those countries.

Who was getting commodities from those countries at knock down prices.

Who still think as individuals they are superior to the people of those countries.


Are your sure all are happy here, or are some escaping from regimes the UK have sold arms to, laundered the money of support abusive "dictatorial" governments.

Cynic,

Comments as those from ShipwrecK and yourself, while having much in common, sometimes amuse me, but flagging up ones ongoing stupidity seems a little pointless to me.

The emotion they evoke is one of pity.

My thoughts go out to both your families.

cynic

Perhaps yopu should read this if you don't think Israel could cease to exist as a Jewish state. This is from Shimon Peres: -

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http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/peres-warns-israel-in-danger-of-ceasing-to-exist-as-jewish-state-1.368132

Peres warns: Israel in danger of ceasing to exist as Jewish state

President says that Israel 'doomed' unless negotiations with the Palestinians leading to a peace agreement begin in the immediate future.

President Shimon Peres is concerned that Israel might become a binational state, in which case, he warned, it would cease to exist as a Jewish state.

"I'm concerned about the continued freeze [in the peace talks]," Peres said to people who visited him this week. "I'm concerned that Israel will become a binational state. What is happening now is total foot-dragging. We're about to crash into the wall. We're galloping at full speed toward a situation where Israel will cease to exist as a Jewish state."

"Whoever accepts the basic principle of the 1967 lines will receive international support from the world," Peres said. "Whoever rejects it will lose the world."

Peres also voiced fear that Israel might be subjected to economic boycotts and sanctions. There's no need for boycotts," he said. "It would suffice for ports in Europe or Canada to stop unloading Israeli merchandise. It's already beginning.

you really need to get laid, parrot LOL