Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Merkel , who cares she's ruined Europe anyway.

Britain cannot be allowed access to the EU's single market without accepting free movement of people, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said Thursday, warning she would not allow a free-for-all.

"If we don't say full access to the internal market is linked to full freedom of movement, then a movement will spread in Europe where everyone just does whatever they want," the chancellor told business leaders from the BDI industry federation.

Merkel urged German firms to back Berlin's tough line on Brexit even in the face of potential economic harm, or risk undermining the European Union.

"We have to make our interests align so that European industry federations don't put pressure on us" during talks with London, Merkel told the annual BDI gathering.

Some British politicians are confident that industry groups on the continent, fearful of losing their access to the UK, will push for a deal retaining Britain's access to the EU single market while limiting migration across the Channel.

The chancellor acknowledged the tradeoffs to be made would be "judged differently from one industrial sector to the next", but insisted that protecting the EU's four freedoms -- of goods, capital, people, and services -- was good for industry.

Merkel's comments come just days after British Prime Minister Theresa May said she would trigger by March 2017 the two-year talks to quit the European Union.

May's Conservative party announced a slew of policies aimed at reducing migration to the island nation at its conference this week.

Britons voted on June 23 to quit the EU, after a campaign in which "Leave" voices said the only way to limit immigration was to abandon membership of the bloc.

All throwing their toys out of the pram today . Hollande should look at the state of Paris and France in general before opening his mouth..

EU must be firm on 'hard' Brexit, warns Francois Hollande

Sky News Sky News7 October 2016
French President Francois Hollande has insisted the EU must take a firm line with the UK after Theresa May signalled she backed a so-called "hard Brexit".

Mr Hollande said Britain wanted to leave the bloc "but doesn't want to pay", which he argued was "not possible".

His comments come after the Prime Minister told party activists she wanted British firms to have "the maximum freedom to trade with and operate within the single market", but not at the expense of allowing free movement or accepting the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice.

Read and weep...


http://tapnewswire.com/2016/10/while-uk-negotiates-brexit-you-continue-to-pay-91-billion-to-eu-despite-vote-to-leave/

That was obviously going to happen Max ,nothing we can do about that

Of course we gave to pay. We are still members. Nothing has changed and won't for a long while

Two years (just over) ..

In addition to paying £91 billion, the pound is crashing like a stone.
Sports Direct is affected badly by the pound.

so is the likes of NXT on which i am glad to say i bit the bullet a couple of days back
have yet to decide what to do with those spare funds

GNK has also been clobbered, merely on the back of a dull note from Singers

At least the BOE has the option of raising interest rates to stop any further falls
in the pound, that's if the useless Carney had the inclination, and every time that
the inflation rate is below 2% the BOE has to write a letter to the chancellor
explaining why, so there is room for a rise but it would raise a few mortgage
payments which could put a few households into a tiz..

no point in raising interest rates to stem a fall in ROE
it has never worked in the past so why should it now .... better to let the market find its own level

as far as investment is concerned, it's better to look at quality $ earners, though you should have done that 2/3/4 months ago
my own choices have been AMZN, GOOG, IMB and BATS .... i also hold RDSB

Be afraid....


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tony-blair-esquire-interview-read-hints-return-politics-jeremy-corbyn-a7349621.html

Yes the Islington champagne socialist are really desperate now that they
fear they will never regain anywhere near power, and are having to drag
back Bliar and his human rights lawyer wife to save the Labour party, but
what are they intending to do before the next GE, split the party? because
they can't kick Corbyn out, he's just been voted back with a huge mandate.

What's the criteria for calling another leadership vote ?

Let's be fair , none of the credible candidates put their names forward for the last one. Labour are going to get battered in any future local or national elections with the current bunch of clowns in charge.

The former prime minister said the Tories had created a "one party state",
NO, it been the total ineptitude of the Labour party and didn't need any help
from the Tories in creating a one party state..

But IF UKIP can get their fricking act together then the field is open for them
to be the main opposition, and so send the Labour party into oblivion...

Personnaly i'm pretty chuffed at the state of the Labour party, over the past
twenty five years they have betrayed the British working class for which they
no longer represent...

Dil, I doubt very much that there is a criteria for calling another leadership
election, they've already shown what a bunch of no-hopers they are, and if
there was any credible candidate they never put their head above the parapet
in the just completed contest....

Andy Burnham was the only credible candidate amongst that shower. And even he is a blue (Evertonian.....LOL!!!)

They can wait for the fallout of Brexit.

I would think the next G/election would be a good one to lose.

labour should have no problem at all in doing that

however, for us non-socialist workers, it is the one after that that could prove scary if mccluskey's protege or another acolyte is still at the helm of the labour party

I always preferred the slow game.

well fred, not wishing you ill, but i hope you (and me) are long dead before we see the likes of mccluskey as pm