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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Bernard M - 21 Sep 2011 13:40 - 5721 of 6906

Israel, and the Gaza dwellers they are killing.

cynic - 21 Sep 2011 14:02 - 5722 of 6906

i do - others can decide for themselves

Bernard M - 21 Sep 2011 14:04 - 5723 of 6906

Israel are bully boys.

cynic - 21 Sep 2011 14:24 - 5724 of 6906

i concur

Bernard M - 21 Sep 2011 14:27 - 5725 of 6906

And they want to join the UN lol.

cynic - 21 Sep 2011 14:33 - 5726 of 6906

surely israel are already part of UN

Bernard M - 21 Sep 2011 14:41 - 5727 of 6906

You could be right Mr.C

Haystack - 21 Sep 2011 15:28 - 5728 of 6906

Of course Israel is a member of the UN. They are one of the 193 countries that make up the General Assembly of the UN. They have been a member since 1949.

The Security Council has only 15 members. There are 5 permanent members (China, France, Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States) and another ten others that rotate from the 193. The current ten extra members are Bosnia and Herzegovina, Germany, Portugal, Brazil, India, South Africa, Colombia, Lebanon, Gabon and Nigeria. Some of those change this year and the rest next.

For Palestine to gain full membership they need at least 9 of the 15 to vote for them with none of the 5 permanent members voting against and none of the 5 permament memers using a veto.


Bernard M - 21 Sep 2011 16:25 - 5729 of 6906

Should be chucked out for violating human rights.

Fred1new - 21 Sep 2011 18:42 - 5730 of 6906

Who?

USA or UK or Israel?




















Or Russia, China or .............................

Bernard M - 21 Sep 2011 18:57 - 5731 of 6906

Israel

Haystack - 21 Sep 2011 20:04 - 5732 of 6906

I saw an account of an interview with Netenyahu's father that was done a few years ago. He said that there was little point in negociating with him as he would always set criteria that could never be met or agreed to by the Palestinians. The intention being to drag out the peace process over years while settlements were increased in the West Bank as the object was the complete annexation of the West Bank as part of Israel. It is interesting that a number of members of the Israeli Knesset (parliament) suggest this annexation only last week as a reply to Palestine seeking statehood.

Palestine was granted observer status in 1974, so it was bizzare today to see Sarkozy giving a speech at the UN today in which he suggested giving Palestine that status. I would have thought that he would have been briefed better.

The Israeli representative was interviewed by Sky News and said that he thought it was really unreasonable of the Palestinians to ask for statehood and should resume talk without preconditions. Of course Netenyahu has his list of preconditions which are mainly unreasonable and designed to be refused and Palestine just asks for illegal settlement to stop.

Haystack - 22 Sep 2011 16:14 - 5733 of 6906

The boycott, divestment, and sanctions campaign (BDS) effectively closed down Israeli beauty product supplier Ahava in London after two years of bi-weekly protests.

The pro-Palestinian activists targeted Ahava based on the fact that its main headquarters are in illegal Israeli settlement Mitzpe Shalem and that its products were imported from the Dead Sea, which Israel has blockaded from Palestinians since 2000 in contravention of the Dead Sea Agreements.

Although the protests at times led to the deployment of British police officers near the shop located on the prestigious Covent Garden area of London, the store incurred heavy losses and eventually closed down.

The closure came also after the propertys owner decided not to renew a lease agreement with Ahava.

Haystack - 23 Sep 2011 11:39 - 5734 of 6906

I am not sure how Hilary will view this.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/bill-clinton-netanyahu-isn-t-interested-in-mideast-peace-deal-1.386222

Bill Clinton: Netanyahu isn't interested in Mideast peace deal

Former U.S. President says a cynical perspective of Prime Minister's calls for negotiations 'means that he's just not going to give up the West Bank'.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is responsible for the inability to reach a peace deal that would end the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, former U.S. President Bill Clinton said on Thursday.

Speaking on the sidelines of the Clinton Global Initiative conference in New York, the former U.S. president was quoted by Foreign Policy magazine as claiming that Netanyahu lost interest in the peace process as soon as two basic Israelis demands seemed to come into reach: a viable Palestinian leadership and the possibility of normalizing ties with the Arab world.

"The Israelis always wanted two things that once it turned out they had, it didn't seem so appealing to Mr. Netanyahu," Clinton said, adding that Israel wanted "to believe they had a partner for peace in a Palestinian government, and there's no question -- and the Netanyahu government has said -- that this is the finest Palestinian government they've ever had in the West Bank."

Furthermore, the former U.S. president is quoted by Foreign Policy as saying that Israel was also on the verge of being recognized by Arab nations adding that the "king of Saudi Arabia started lining up all the Arab countries to say to the Israelis, if you work it out with the Palestinians ... we will give you immediately not only recognition but a political, economic, and security partnership."

"This is huge.... It's a heck of a deal," Clinton said, adding: "That's what happened. Every American needs to know this. That's how we got to where we are."

"The real cynics believe that the Netanyahu's government's continued call for negotiations over borders and such means that he's just not going to give up the West Bank," he added.

Clinton also said he felt the Palestinians would accept the deal rejected by former PA President Yasser Arafat in 2000 negotiations with then Prime Minister Ehud Barak, saying that Palestinian leaders "have explicitly said on more than one occasion that if [Netanyahu] put up the deal that was offered to them before -- my deal -- that they would take it."

"For reasons that even after all these years I still don't know for sure, Arafat turned down the deal I put together that Barak accepted," he was quoted by Foreign Policy as saying. "But they also had an Israeli government that was willing to give them East Jerusalem as the capital of the new state of Palestine."


The same story in the Jerusalem post

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=239170

The former US president attacked Netanyahu's government and said it had received all of the assurances previous Israeli governments said they wanted but now won't accept those terms to make peace.

"Now that they have those things, they don't seem so important to this current Israeli government, partly because it's a different country," Clinton was quoting as saying. "In the interim, you've had all these immigrants coming in from the former Soviet Union, and they have no history in Israel proper, so the traditional claims of the Palestinians have less weight with them."

Haystack - 23 Sep 2011 17:47 - 5735 of 6906

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/strenger-than-fiction/a-dangerous-erosion-of-israel-s-international-standing-1.386310

A dangerous erosion of Israels international standing

The day when global public opinion will consider Israel as another South Africa and push for sanctions against the country is drawing ever closer.

In 1955 Ben-Gurion coined his saying Um-Shmum, the expression of disdain against the UN that was followed by: It doesnt matter what the Goyim say, but what the Jews do. This may have been charming when Israel was a young country, and when Dayans not wearing a tie was seen as refreshing chutzpah. The disdain for the international community is now turning into Israels tragedy and failure with the Palestinian bid for UN recognition.

The UN has, of course, given Israelis many reasons to think that it is biased against Israel: the infamous resolution that Zionism is racism; the dismal record of the Human Rights Council with its preposterous bias against Israel and the anti-Israel spectacle of the Durban racism conference. Many Israelis have come to see human rights discourse as nothing but a cynical ploy used by Israels enemies to score diplomatic points.

Fred1new - 23 Sep 2011 18:44 - 5736 of 6906

I previously had a high opinion to Obama, I hope that he will not allow the use of the Veto in the Palestinian application, but expect he will cave into the Jewish lobby in the USA.

I think if he does so, it will be a disservice to the USA and an early resolution of conflict in the ME.

America and Israel (under its present administration) are isolating themselves more and more, losing any world respect they previously had.

Bernard M - 23 Sep 2011 18:53 - 5737 of 6906

Of course he will he is a pussy and they the jews of New York will make him do so.

Who do you think runs their Country.

Fred1new - 23 Sep 2011 19:08 - 5738 of 6906

I thought, or hope, he might have broken the mould.

Sad.

Haystack - 23 Sep 2011 19:34 - 5739 of 6906

No chance of Abbas getting his vote. He knows that. The purpose is to Isolate Israel and the US over the matter. It will also increase his chances of getting the vote in the generalassembly where he only needs 2/3 majorty. He should get that easily. Abbas got several standing ovations in sharp contrast to the muted response to Netenyahu's speech.

Haystack - 23 Sep 2011 19:45 - 5740 of 6906

Read this!

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/09/2011919102245537768.html

The humiliation of Barack Obama

As he prepares to singularly veto Palestine's statehood bid, he must be thinking to himself: 'This isn't right'.

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