Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

...Get Knitted JJ -):

of course you're right, at least for as long there is no vote in favour of scottish independence ... the SNP group is really no different from the welsh or irish boys

Assuredly -):

On a more serious note ,i wonder what brought that Plane down ? seems really strange .
That is three now with no explanation ..

Spooky isn't it.

the only reason there is "no explanation" is because the contents of the black boxes still awaits analysis

Alex Salmond's comments are for a domestic Scottish audience. He wants to assure that denying Labour seats in Scotland, it won't produce a minority Conservative government. Of course, if he did vote down the Queen's speech, it would come back to bite him. It would, almost certainly, trigger a new election. The public would rightly be annoyed as it would take SNP plus Labour to vote down the speech. A new election would be an opportunity for the public to vent its anger at SNP meddling by giving Cameron a victory with a clear majority.

Following a new election with a Conservative victory, there would be legislation passed very quickly to limit the powers of Scottish MPs. The Scots could also kiss goodbye to any further concessions.

Just speculating JJ, but maybe their is a new way of bringing down a plane using some new form of interference to a plane's electronics by terrorists?

The consistent 'glide down' seems to indicate a possible instant depressurisation, causing all the occupants, including the flight crew, to completely black out. This would also explain the lack of SOS messaging from the crew.

Now what might cause instant depressurisation?

An explosive device? And the bigger the device the faster the depressurisation.

What other explanations are there?

The tail of the aircraft clips the top of a mountain?

Nah. The plane would have already had to descend for that that to happen. If it had done this, then what caused it to descend to that low a height anyway?

Fuel failure?

Not really. There would have been messages from the flight crew.

Mid air collision?

With what? A missile? The ground controllers watched the plane descend all the way down, so this one is out too.

So the favourite reason surely has to be 'instant depressurisation'. But what caused it?

There have been a couple of instances of sudden loss of altitude for this model of plane. The pilots recovered and there is a workaround involving switching off the guidance system and taking control. In the other instances, there were no mountains at 6,000ft.

a pretty pointless exercise in this instance
much more relevant is that the plane didn't just "fall out of the sky" but came down relatively slowly - almost a controlled descent
hard to believe, but i know even less about aviation that i do about share investment, but it sounds to me like some sort of technical failure with which the pilot was unable to cope

Manuel,

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Salmond has got his head screwed on!

He is grandstanding for the Scottish vote, but if elected as an MP to the London H.P. he has the right to vote for what he considers to be in the best interests of his supporters taking into consideration the needs of the UK as a whole.

For all their boasting and "organised" PR and false promises, the ideology of the present tory party is not acceptable to the majority of voters in Scotland, the North of England, Wales and other areas of UK.

My guess is that after the G.E., is that the tories will poll less votes and have less MPs than the other parties put together .

I cannot see the remaining Lib/dems would go into a coalition, or an alliance with Cameron as leader. (Their party members won’t tolerate it.)

If, the majority of MPs (representative of the majority of voters) turn down the formation of, or the possibility, of a minority tory government and vote against the introduction of their policies that will be “democracy” in action. It would otherwise suggest that a rejected previous incumbent group has an ongoing “right” to govern.

That seems to suggest that an “elitist minority” have a right to govern the majority of voters who have already rejected it.

Also, you can’t have the rights of a member of parliament of an UK parliament from part of the UK being different to one from another.

How they use those rights is their choice.
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PS.

I don't see why London based MPS should vote on NE projects or policies for the West Midlands.

8-)

Stan that's not as silly as some might think .

Anyway as it's on the side of a mountain they should have the black box soon ..

They have one black box since yesterday. It is damaged but usable.

Surely that will tell crash investigators what went wrong ?

Jeremy Clarkson: BBC insists 'no decision' made yet on Top Gear host's future
From: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/celebritynews/jeremy-clarkson.....
ROBIN DE PEYER
Published: 25 March 2015 Updated: 11:02, 25 March 2015
The BBC has insisted there has been "no decision" on Jeremy Clarkson's Top Gear future amid reports the host is set to be sacked today.

The Daily Telegraph reported that the corporation's director general Lord Hall was to announce the presenter's sacking after considering an internal investigation into an alleged "fracas" with a producer.

But a BBC spokesman insisted: "No decision has been made. When we have an outcome, we will announce it."

The Telegraph reported that the inquiry, led by BBC Scotland boss Ken MacQuarrie, concluded that Clarkson physical assaulted producer Oisin Tymon in an alleged row over a steak dinner.

Just to keep everyone up to date, I haven't heard a thing.

— Jeremy Clarkson (@JeremyClarkson) March 25, 2015
It is unclear whether co-hosts James May and Richard Hammond would continue on the show in the event of Clarkson's sacking.


The pair reportedly turned down an offer to continue hosting the show without Clarkson after his suspension two weeks ago.

Senior BBC executives are said to be attempting to convince Radio 2 Breakfast Show host and self-confessed "petrolhead" Chris Evans to take over on Top Gear.

But Evans has previously ruled himself out of the running, saying: "I can categorically say I am not and will never be running for office. Please discount my candidacy."

Both Tymon and Clarkson have given evidence to the BBC investigation which was led by Ken MacQuarrie.

Clarkson, alongside co-hosts James May and Richard Hammond, was scheduled to take part in four live Top Gear shows in Norway this week, but it was announced on Sunday they had been postponed.

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He has played down an expletive-laden rant during which he appeared to criticise BBC bosses during a charity gala in Camden, insisting his words were spoken "in jest".

The decision came after a million people signed a petition calling for his return to the popular motoring show.

The signatures were last week delivered to the BBC's headquarters in a tank.

PMQs: David Cameron trips up Ed Miliband with VAT pledge: Live
David Cameron takes part in final Prime Minister's Question Time of 2010 to 2015 Parliament

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12.48 Labour's top team must be furious at themselves for failing to game-plan the possibility of Mr Cameron saying "yes," when Mr Miliband asked him to rule out an increase in VAT. The beginning of the week had been pretty rough for the PM, with his "arrogant" no third term announcemet on Monday and roughing up by pensioners at Age UK yesterday. They will be livid that they have managed to send MPs off to campaign with momentum swung back the other way, thanks to a blatant own goal from the leader.
12.47 Not content with skewering Ed Miliband utterly at PMQs, the Prime Minister is now shredding him into little bits on Twitter:

12.44 On the BBC's Politics Show, Priti Patel, a member of the Conservatives' Treasury team, has said she had no idea Mr Cameron was about to make his VAT announcement.
QuoteThat's the first I've heard of that today".
12.43 The twittersphere agrees today was not Mr Miliband's best PMQs:

12.42 The Cameron kids enjoyed their day out at Daddy's workplace:

12.39 The trap was set perfectly. If you remember, George Osborne spent his appearance before the Treasury Select Committee yesterday carefully avoiding answer all invitations to rule out a future VAT rise.
12.38 Missing them already? Here are some of the highlights of Mr Cameron and Mr Miliband's exchanges over the last five years:


2.36 And it's over. Mr Cameron uses his last answer to jemmy in a final gag, reminding MPs that Richard III is due to be buried tomorrow, and saying it wasn't the last time a would-be leader did in a family member. Well, it wasn't very nice of Mr Miliband to see off his brother, David, in the Labour leadership contest but to compare his actions to the murder of the princes in the towers is a wee bit unfair...
12.34 Labour's Stephen Pound tries a bit of humour - he says some "rougher" elements of the House called Cameron a "chicken" over the TV debates. Isn't it more the case that, following his declaration that he will not serve a third term, he's more a lame duck. Mr Cameron shoots back that Mr Miliband is the lame duck for seeking to enter Number 10 on the coattails of the SNP. He barks:
QuoteNever mind talk of ducks, I'm looking at Alex Salmond's poodle.
12.32 As Labour attempt some shoring up, the PM is read a headline from an article from before the 2010 election in which he is quoted as ruling out a VAT rise after polling day. He says he didn't know then the scale of the economic task ahead.
12.31 From Michael Deacon:
As David Cameron congratulated his backbencher Andrew Percy for his constituency work (and for obediently parroting the Tory slogan "Long Term Economic Plan"), Philip Hammond yawned widely beside him. Come on, Foreign Secretary, this PMQs hasn't been that boring...
12.29 Elfyn Llwyd is however asking his last question as an MP. The Plaid leader asks if he'll be missed. The PM pays tribute to the excellent speeches he has delivered, particularly on Iraq, and wishes him well.
12.26 Oh dear, the PM has just wished a warm farewell to Labour's Michael Connarty, who, turns out, isn't standing down. Cue much laughter. Cameron points out that it's his 146th Question Time and wishes him well anyway - and blames his briefers for giving him misinformation. Wag shouted out "SNP gain" before Mr Connarty he started speaking. Ho ho.
12.25 My 130 WMP shorthand wasn't up to taking down Mr Cameron's exchange with Simon Danczuk over immigration, but Sky has brought us the tongue-twister here:

2.24 Tim Ross is worried Mr Cameron may have been busking it again.

12.21 What is Labour going to do about their shiny new poster campaign?

Ed Balls unveils Labour's new poster in Birmingham yesterday
12.20 Mr Cameron is asked to comment on Alex Salmond's remarks. He says the entire Labour Party has been "taken hostage" by the SNP, and says the only way to deal with the problem is to vote Conservative.
QuoteThe entire Labour Party has been taken hostage" [by Mr Salmond] "and today we got the ransom note".
12.19 Sky's Joey Jones has been keeping an eye on Mr Cameron's potential successors:

12.18 Mr Cameron is asked by the DUP's Nigel Dodds about the On The Run letters. He's obviously in a magnanimous mood after his little tussle with Mr Miliband, defending his predecessor, Tony Blair, over the issue and saying that difficult decisions needed to be mad to secure peace.


A Sound Victory!

They said the black box wouldn't tell them what want wrong , just give them data for the investigation