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fundy thanks for detailed post

Anyone know what happened in the AEK match this evening ?

Got suspended.

AEK won 2-1.

Hope it went your way.

Morning All.

England on 217-3 at lunch. Solid partnership from Bell and Pieterson despite a couple of scares and only 46 short of avoiding the follow on.

Fortunately, for me my lay order did not go through so really tempted to let it ride to the end.

Steve.....Thanks for your opinion on the match. Looking more and more like a draw. Am I right to assume that as soon as Eng reach the target to avoid the follow on the draw odds will shorten by more than 10 ticks or so as thinking of lumping a bit on to take advantage of this.

Hi Bak

Apologies for the delay, just be careful scalping on the draw in case the new ball does a bit. Superb performance from these 2 - glad i took a double figure price about England

Managed to scalp a few before the new ball and leaving home.

I see that the draw odds have come in more than 10 ticks in the last 15mins thanks to Bell and Jones.

Another 100 runs and/or occupying the crease till tea and beyond should see the draw through?

Siberian HIghness in the 2.50 drifted from 2.24 to 3.75 :-)))

and then absolutely hacks up lol - a lot of burnt layers fingers

Some big movers today. There was something early went from 3 to 6.4 and back to 3.5 just before the off.

Scrip

and a stewards enquiry on its performance in the race and a likely look into the betting patterns!!!

looking to back the 2.5 goals in the barca game trying to get 1.58 looks outstanding value

Scrip - the race you were talking about:

Trainer Bryan Smart was fined 2,300 and jockey Paul Eddery banned for 16 days over the running and riding of Ben Casey at Southwell.
The stewards found Smart and Eddery in breach of the 'non-triers' rule and as well as penalising the trainer and jockey, they also banned the horse from running for 40 days.....

Hi Woodie

just starting to have a look at tonights footie - first question being do sides need to win or have they already qualified

some have qualified ie barca,arsenal but there is still an incentive to finish top of your group teams that do that face a team finishing in second place but not from your own country apart from liverpool hope that helps

Woodie

not convinced finishing top is a huge priority - take the Arsenal game for example - hes playing Flamini and Song together in central midfield, Eboue at right back and Almunia in goal whilst resting a few players (Lauren, Silva, Fabregas, Lehman, Bergkamp, Van Persie) though Henry is playing. Thun ran Arsenal close at Highbury but have been really poor recently and lost to second bottom in Swiss League at the weekend however a draw may get them a place in the UEFA cup - heart says Arsenal, head says leave well alone!

Group A

Bayern and Juve both 1.2 ish shots at home tonight - if both win or draw both are through irrelevant of final round of games though that will decide who wins the group. A Bruge win at Juve would make the group wide open

Group B

Arsenal already through and a point wins them the group, Ajax need a win or Thun to lose to qualify

Group C

Barca already qualified and pretty much assured to win the group (6 points clear and awesome goal diff), other 3 sides all on 4 points so plenty to play for for second place

Group D

2 points separate the whole group so all 4 sides can still qualify

fundy we wont know until the draw is made if it is an advantage finishing top if you finish second you risk getting drawn to barca apart from spanish sides.

First thoughts

Arsenal at 1.95 look a big price but as previously mentioned their desire may be questionable and a week central midfield will hamper. However, Henry could tear Thun to pieces - think Arsenal will win but not convinced Im a backer - will watch first 5/10 mins

Man Utd look way too short at 1.58. A must win game for Utd, Villareal would be much the happier with the draw as they currently head the group and are at home to Lille in the final round whilst United travel to Benefica. Vilareal currently unbeaten in the CL this year whilst United have won only once. United will be out to prove a point after the Keane scenario and Fergie will have them fired up. United have Neville back from injury whilst Giggs, Fortune, Heinze and Saha are all missing, Villareal are missing Juan Roman Riquelme and Diego Forlan - may lay Utd and back under 2.5 goals (though 1.75 a bit skinny)

Valid point Woodie, though Wenger may fancy knocking out Barca in the next round to help him convince Henry to stay lol

I think Arsenal may well start quickly tonight and look to get ahead and then ease up, CL is clearly Wengers no 1 target

fundy just cant be confident with any matches apart from my one above