Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

"THERE'S NO MONEY LEFT"

That was a copy of the note left by Reg Maudling to the labour chancellor in 1964 to the incoming government.(Check his history.)

At the time, it was treated as gallows humour, but later the "cons" couldn't appreciate the humour.


Suggest you check your history.

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I think I would prefer to trust the opinion of IMF than that of the "little Englanders".

You can always tell a recent addition to the 'British' way of life,
as in fred1's case his father being allowed to come to this country
after WW2 and dipping his wick in a naive young British lass and with
the resultant birth of an arrogant English hater, who is quick to
accuse anyone who is patriotic and does not want to be ruled by an
unelected entity is a little Englander...

It was only last year when foreign students at university was wanting
to have the statues of Cecil Rhodes torn from the ramparts
of their university....

Hey thicko fred1..I've checked my history.....

Guess what???...YOU are one dopey fricker.....LMFAO!!!!


On leaving office in 2010 Liam Byrne left a note saying there was no money left..

theguardian.com/politics/2010/may/17/liam-byrne-note-successor

Freda I think you should move to Disney World it's make believe just up your street .

Vicky,

I wouldn't want to visit you at your home.

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Granny,

As I said check your history.

I think you were referring to my father-in-law.

My father was black.

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AND!

Exactly AND , after all these years you feel the need to reveal your parentage why .

Remarks made by a little ?man.

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Reminds me of :


A Welshman, Scot and a Little Englander are walking, when they come across a lantern and a genie pops out and offers to grant them one wish each.

The Welshman says: “I am a sheep herder, like my dad before me. I want my country to be full of lovely sheep farms.” Whoosh, and so it was.

The Little Englander was amazed and asked: “I want a wall around England to keep those damned Scots and Welsh out.” Bang, there was a wall around England.

The Scot says: “Tell me more about this wall.”

The genie says: “It’s 200 feet high, 100 feet thick, it goes all around England, and nothing can get in or out.”

The Scot says: “Fill it with water.”

As I said you live in fairy tale land , go to Disney World and live there .

Anyway having read the stay in Government fodder cynic , what's your verdict on it or have I missed it .

I today have mailed mine back to 10 Downing St ,with a note asking Cameron not to waste 9 million pounds.

Stop being tight little engulunders, £9 million is a drop in the ocean compared to the amounts being squandered by the €urobuns every day.

Cameron promised us a vote , he said if he could not negotiate a better deal then we could vote OUT , he didn't he got nothing and now he's is going back on his word .
I don't like him ,he is weak ,i don't like the EU .
They would give him nothing so imagine what it will be like the day after we vote in ? which is why we must vote OUT

On his performance so far can anyone believe what is written in said leaflet and come months or years later people will regret staying in because of lies .

Sounds like a typical neo-con government!

Just to remind 'the lefties' on the realities of life:

The protestors in Whitehall last weekend demanding the Prime Minister’s resignation for the offence of being well-off should remember the salutary tale of the 10 drinkers who decide to settle their £100 weekly bar bill in roughly the same way we pay our taxes.

The first four men (the poorest) pay nothing; the fifth pays £1; the sixth £3; the seventh £7; the eighth £12; the ninth £18; and the 10th man, the richest, pays £59.

When the barman gives them a £20 discount for being good customers, they decide to pay the new £80 bill in the same progressive way. So the fifth man, like the first four, now pays nothing, a 100 per cent saving; the sixth man pays £2 instead of £3 (a 33 per cent saving); and on up to the 10th man, who pays £49 instead of £59 (a 17 per cent saving).

No one loses. But when they compare their savings, the sixth man complains that he is only getting £1 while the first four point out that they receive nothing. The richest man, by contrast, gets £10.

“The system exploits the poor,” they object. “The wealthy get all the breaks!” So the nine men surround the 10th and beat him up.

The next week he doesn’t show up at the bar and when they come to pay, they don’t have enough money between them to cover even half the bill.

Questionable comparison.

The poorest pay nothing in cash, but what do they provide for society by their endeavours at the "level" they are able to.

610 ..... as follows

for obvious reasons, the booklet is tilted towards staying in

however, even when reading the very first page, the so-called facts really just aren't or at least the implied facts do not stand up to scrutiny - eg we will keep our own border controls; true but we can't stop any eu citizens, and thanks to germany's loony open-door policy, there will be 00,000s "extras" acquiring this right within a very years

a stronger economy
perhaps, and it's certainly true that, if we leave, it will take years and years and years to get a new structure put in place ...... to my mind, that just highlights the intractability and lack of will of the eu legislature

securing our borders
part of this is absolute bollocks (imo) .....
the claim is that if we leave, there will be less cooperation between the intelligence
services
that would be totally against the interests of anyone, though some european agencies are far from secure, and i am certain much is already withheld from them

uk has special status within eu
that really is pretty tenuous

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my conclusion is that the real issues are ......
1) no one has any idea of the knock-on effects if uk leaves eu ...... they could indeed be pretty scary, though i don't know in excatly what way .... it just will be so!

2) if uk leaves eu, the short term effects on the economy are likely to be ugly, but for how long, no one knows

3) if uk leaves eu, we ought to regain better control of who does or not come into the country ........ however, if we want meaningful trade with eu, then freedom of movement for eu citizens will be difficult to resist ..... however, uk may be able to restrict what benefits and similar can be claimed

4) if uk leaves eu, then assuredly uk parliament will be able to decide what eu directives are or are not acceptable, which of course is not so as it stands

5) if uk leaves eu, then assuredly uk will no longer have to pay the "gravytrain" of MEPs and their hangers-on ..... but this is more of an emotional issue than significant in relation to the whole

6) if uk leaves eu, then i assume uk will no longer have to subsidise croatia, serbia and similar, nor contribute to the questionable subsidies paid to italian olive growers, french farmers etc

7) if uk leaves eu, then uk should be able to implement and enforce a proper fisheries policy that will allow north sea fish stocks to recover from their current badly threatened levels

8) if uk leaves eu, then uk courts should regain much of their independence instead of the permanent threat of having judgements overruled in strasbourg or brussels

Right thanks for that , it's up to the leave side to highlight all these issues really. Haven't received mine yet .

Item 2 c, what exactly will change?