Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

I do think that the likes of Cynic et al must be active users of self flagellation
for the pleasure thay get for continuing to 'chat' with Fred
I decided years ago to filter him as it was a one sided converstaion and he NEVER responded to any comments made about his views.
Things never change, you all seem to know you are waisting your time and energy.
If he was totaly filtered he would soon give up and you all can find someone else to try to rise too.
Dont choose Dill, he is much to inteligent.

who is filtered?
fred or me?
if me, it would seem not to be so :-)

to give fred his due, he is by no means stupid, but i assuredly think he lives in an ivory tower and doesn't seem to have any understanding of the reality of life let alone human nature

Morning all from France. I've just a moment before we put the lorry on the ferry. I have no brand loyalty for any political party. ( loyal only to Bristol Rovers and Clarke's Shoes black/brown brogues. I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member). I was delighted that Corbyn the underdog won. Much respect to a man of principles (even though I am on the opposite side of most of them). Best of all Blair, Mendleson and Campbell have finally been seen off. They have zero influence. Rumour has it their annual membership dues will be returned.

Dave the chinless wonder is only a few months away from being in the middle of a shit storm. It will only take a few of his to wander over to the gormless Nigel Fearage Appreciation Society to knock him back.

You all take care, will be back in UK in a few hours.

cynic - stable mentioned intelligent in his post. This assuredly leaves you out :0)
The only man I know who is happy to converse with the speaking clock.

I was just thinking a few things out for the anti-illegal immigrant crusade of ours :
We shall have day and night boat patrols with projectors, search lights and recorded interventions in all languages (in german first, sounds better, more intimidating),
As far as logos are concerned : I reckon that a sign with a sort of isle of man legs would be ideal along with a round blason with a rabbit with a red line across it with vorbotten/interdict on it....something like that ...what do you think ?...
plus dogs, dobermans......the whole works what !?...should get the pilgrims singin'....

call for general strike
what a spiffing idea!
if you ever want to alienate the vast majority of the public, then the unions should blunder ahead at full speed, confident in the absolute backing of JC - no, not Him up there!

i suspect the bill to be debated in HofC this afternoon is too draconian in its detail, but the concept behind it sounds ok ....... that is to say, for a strike to proceed, there has to be a minimum % of that union's members (a) voting and (b) backing the strike

also, if someone has the right to withdraw his labour, as assuredly he does, then the employer has just as much right to bring in an alternate

Fred.

Moved is relative.

Whilst I was based in La Belle France for a number of years, my income was derived from blighty (business) Rennes airport was very handy.

http://order-order.com/2015/09/14/corbyn-stormin-away-from-sky-news/

Watch a grouchy Jezza walk away in silence from Sky’s Darren McCaffery last night, before bizarrely complaining “there are people bothering me“:

WATCH: This is what happened when I tried to ask #Corbyn about shadow cabinet. He accuses me of "bothering" him. pic.twitter.com/uyqQdwXYu3

— Darren McCaffrey (@DMcCaffreySKY) September 14, 2015

Yes Jeremy, you’re the Leader of the Opposition now.

Jeremy Corbyn waves down a police car and complains he is being bothered by journalists asking about his shadow cabinet…

— Kay Burley (@KayBurley) September 14, 2015

One day in the job and he’s already trying to get journalists arrested…

cynic,

It is obvious that "migration" has its problems.

Also, due to the present number, an organised process of vetting is necessary.

Acceptance of responsibility, and not floating of on holidays and harping from the sidelines and denying those responsibilities.

Also, intentional abuse of an "accepting" country's "facilities" and "social" services without any "intention" of contributing to the economic wealth of the accepting country should be curbed.

But, post WW2 my father-in-law was in transit camps where he and others remained in “supposedly decent "accommodation for 2 or more years.

(Some of his compatriots in other countries were returned to countries of origin where they were murdered by the "new" governments although they had fought for the allied forces. British double standards.)

He and associates actually worked in the community in various roles, manually and other during that period until “released” into the “general” society.

He was "released" into the community and eventually and as a "civil engineer" rose to the "heights or senior positions" in local government and responsible for much of the planning in one large area of the UK.

Many of his comrades did similar and provided economic benefit to the country, rather than the "drain" which is propagandised against "all immigrants”, other than the ones personally known to propagandist.

There are bound to be some crooks among the immigrants, as there are probably some on this thread. Separate out and deal with them.

As far as separating the economic migrants from those fleeing as “war driven or political” immigrants, I see it probably less than beneficial to differentiate and may consider the economic migrant is showing the initiative that would be beneficial to an economically and striving “capitalist” society.

Haven’t you migrated back and fro to the ME and other countries importing the wealth of those countries back to the UK. (Gaining from those countries, I do hope you are not taking your UK wealth to the M.E. and call it exporting.)

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But to me, I think it sensible to accept the present immigration problem, organise and process humanely as possible and at the same time address and attempt to resolve the “social and economic problems and conditions” of the countries being fled from.

To do so need needs a strong EU, UN and other World groupings. I mean bodies, which are not based on self advancement of one country on another, but considering the best way to advance all.

This is a very superficial response to your challenge, but the complexities and resolutions for problems are too complex for me.

Also, time-consuming and I don’t have so much of that as I use to have.
8-)

From Boris at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11862705/If-Jeremy-Corbyn-honestly-cares-about-the-workers-hell-back-trade-union-reform.html:

If Jeremy Corbyn honestly cares about the workers, he’ll back trade union reform

Most Tube staff do not support strikes. Their right to work, and our right to travel, should be respected by the militant few

Tunnel vision: London Underground drivers will receive a five per cent pay rise this year - Unions’ Olympic games
The Tube is running better than ever before Photo: PA
By Boris Johnson10:07PM BST 13 Sep 2015

Comments as I type: 871 and rising (click on the above link)

Well, folks, the joke’s over. They really have elected him: a man who rebelled against the Labour Party 533 times, who cosies up to just about every terrorist group in the world, who wants this country to leave Nato and who once campaigned for school playing fields to be handed over to gypsies. It is surreal, incredible – and yet Jeremy Corbyn is now in charge of Her Majesty’s Official Opposition, and we must take him seriously.

• Corbyn's shadow cabinet: live updates

So here is something reassuring that Jez could do on day one of his leadership to show he is genuinely on the side of working people. If he wants to begin the arduous climb towards electoral credibility he should announce his party’s support, today, for the Trade Union Bill.
"We achieved a 40 per cent cut in Tube delays from 2008-2012, and are well on target to achieving a further 30 per cent"
It is a reform I passionately believe in, not least since I proposed the essence of it more than five years ago. We needed it for London then, and we need it today, because we are in the throes of the biggest modernisation in modern memory. You may well have forgotten – such is the ability of Mother Nature to efface the memory of pain – that there was a time when the performance of London Underground was not held in high regard.

Jeremy Corbyn has received the backing of militant unions
I seem to remember a mordant song, to the tune of Going Underground by The Jam, that complained of the smell, the crowding, the tramps, the chewing gum on the seats, the damp – and above all, the delays. Well, I thought it was unfair then – and you don’t hear people singing that song today. Since 2008 there have been massive reductions in delays. We achieved a 40 per cent cut in Tube delays in the period to 2012, and are well on target to achieving a further 30 per cent cut.
We have more trains, better signalling – and the trains run faster than ever before. We are blasting on with a fantastic programme of improvement – air-conditioned carriages first on the subsurface lines, and then on the deep ones. We are extending the Tube for the first time in 15 years, with the link out to Battersea, to say nothing of Crossrail, and we are moving towards ever greater automation.
"A small minority of union activists and leaders have tried to hold the city to ransom by resisting every change"
London Underground will never again buy an old-fashioned train with a cab that requires a driver to sit there the whole time: the new Piccadilly Line trains will allow staff to move down the carriages, as they do on the Docklands Light Railway. Transport for London is leading the world in automated ticketing – and we are now the biggest contactless payment retailer in the world, as more and more people switch to paying by bank card. It goes without saying that we are carrying more people than ever before – about a quarter more passengers every day than eight years ago.
All these changes have been delivered by the staff of the Tube. They have done a superb job. Most of the workforce has understood that the technological changes are great for the travelling public and that they are right for the Tube: there is no point having staff sitting behind plate glass in booths when ticketing is done electronically.
Almost everyone understands that changes in technology must mean changes in working practices. Many new jobs are created, but some are done differently, and some not at all. The trouble is that there has been a small minority of union activists and leaders, who have abused their position and tried to hold the city to ransom, by resisting every change and by using modernisation as an excuse for industrial action.
We have had strikes that have achieved absolutely nothing – except to inconvenience Londoners, to damage the economy, and to cost many hard-working Tube staff their pay during the period of the strikes. To make matters worse, these strikes have very often been triggered by the stubbornness of a tiny number of workers, so that we have sometimes had the Tube services severely disrupted after fewer than 20 per cent of the relevant workforce had voted for action. That is absolutely ridiculous, and so it is high time that the Government has brought forward some sensible measures to deal with these militant excesses.

The Bill before Parliament today will do something to tackle picket-line intimidation; it will end the system whereby union contributions are simply sluiced out of the member’s bank account; it will attempt to tighten the rules that allow workers to be full‑time trade union representatives.
Above all, the Bill being proposed by Sajid Javid will bring in thresholds for the ballots for industrial action, so that you can no longer have a wildcat strike triggered by a tiny minority of workers. The key point is that when it comes to essential public services, the strike action must be supported by 40 per cent of the relevant workforce, and there must be at least a 50 per cent turnout.

That is not remotely draconian. Yes, of course we elect politicians on lower turnouts, and we have no thresholds in democratic elections; but we are talking here about services that are vital for the daily lives of millions of people. There are plenty of other cities that have some kind of restrictions on the right of mass transit workers to go on strike – and in New York, land of banned by law. If this Bill’s protection had been in place, it would have stopped 19 of the past 26 strikes on the Tube.
Of course, it will not stop trade unions from playing a constructive role in modernisation, or from withdrawing the labour of their members. But it will greatly help two sets of working people – the travelling public, and the majority of workers who have often rejected the strike, implicitly or explicitly, and who just want to get on with their jobs.
Now is the time for the great vested leader to take on the vested interests of the union barons – and do something for the workers.

Just logged in again. Holy shit!!! I see the Tanker family have announced that in a selfless move they have stopped giving blood. Wow well done. Can you imagine what a pint (that's almost an arm full) injected into the wrong person could do???
What if his IQ gene and angry little man gene got out of control.??? Based on the amount he gives and the masses that could receive it we're heading for trouble.
I'll alert the Cobra emergency team and see if they can recall all unused supplies.

Thanks for sacrifice Tanker you did a brave thing

fred - 62812 - i'll try to respond as succinctly as possible

all too often you get stuck in a 70-year old time-warp and though i fully concur that the forced repatriation of the cossacks and other so-called russian ethnics was callous in the extreme and absolutely disgraceful, it has little relevance to today's situation

your comment about me "migrating to/from M/E" is curious though perhaps in jest ..... except for a couple of years after i left school (oz+nz), i have never lived anywhere other than uk ...... nor do i even have any off-shore bank accounts

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there is no question but that DC has had his arm twisted to accept even syrian refugees, and he is/was wrong to be so ungenerous in his original stance with regard to this particular and specific segment ...... even now, the response is arguably somewhat on the niggardly side, even if a considerable improvement

however, i think DC is absolutely right to insist that those given asylum from syria are specifically from camps in that immediate region ..... it gives much needed and better control as to exactly who is being admitted

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economic migrants are a different issue entirely
it is one thing where someone falls into this category but is actually bringing proven skills and ideally already has a job, and is not bringing his extended family with him
this is very different from someone being admitted who brings with him no obvious benefits to the economy and is very likely to be a burden on the system

Manuel,

Sometimes you should put you tongue in your cheek when you condescend to read my postings.

Often, I am being allegorical when I write, as sometimes it brings a more simple sense of a problem, and perhaps recognises a deeper implied meaning or motivation of what has been written.

But each unto their own.

what a racist pig SAJID JAVID IS A COMPLETE ARSEWIPE NO WONDER THE WORKING MAN DOES NOT BOTHER TO VOTE A RACIST LIKE HIM PREACHING RULES AND LAW

IF UNIONS NEED OVER 50 % THEN EVER GOV MUST NEED OVER 50% AND EVER MP SHOULD NEED OVER 50% SIMPLE HAS THAT

WORKERS MUST HAVE THE RIGHT TO STRIKE FROM A REAL CONSERVATIVE NOT THE LIAR OF A BUSINESS SECRETARY

WATCH HOUSE OF COMMONS AND LISTEN TO THE RACIST PIG JAVID THE PERSON WHO HATES THE ENGLISH

why is it that once an mp becomes a mp they become disgusting liars and crooks
no wonder the public do not vote

62814 - if you have the necessary power, ask tony hancock :-)

thousands of immigrants over the years coming to the uk put around 10 years on their
age so they could retire at around 55 . the uk gov ministers court asleep again

Yes cynic. So glad Tanker stopped giving away his blood. But I'm worried now about his blood pressure. Looking back the fact he was donating blood probably kept it under control.
Everyone move back!!