Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

cynic thank for your answer so you do have values .

mobs and thugs must never win

when you help others before your own people it is the end of that country .
their are thousands in the uk struggling to live .

Hey, there is the perfect party for a few of you, "THE ENGLISH DEMOCRATS".

The tinker can be the Foreign minister, with JB minister of Defence and Manuel as Chancellor!


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fred - you and i will choose to disagree on parental responsibility before children

all ever one needs to know when you are dead you never no your dead

I knew Fred wouldn't answer my question.

JB,

Amongst other reasons was the thought you wouldn't understand the answer.

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I would simply ask you to if you were fleeing the various countries the majority of migrants are moving from which country would you consider?

Also, how much responsibility does the West have for the chaos in the ME.?

Also, why was is it right to plunder those countries, flogging them arms and not take some responsibility for their present problems and recompense them?

I don't understand a lot of what you write as it's bollocks ,

I do agree that we have some responsibility for the chaos in the Middle East.

The country i would consider would be the first safe haven but no they want the richest nation that is why we have camps at Calais .

Look who has jumped on the bandwagon ,migrants from all over, it is chaos and going to get a lot worse.

the migrants wanting to get into the eu are no more than a mob of scum .
cowards will fight to get to the eu but cowards who will not fight for their own country

when you see the pictures on the tv most are 18 to 30 years of age who have left their parents to fight they are not men they are cowards

Fred as fallen into a trap, he said we shouldn't have meddled in the Middle East. So Fred wanted Saddam Hussein and the President of Syria to stay in power

fred
#1 if i was that desperate, i would be very thankful for ANY country that would grant me asylum, rather than picking and choosing as to which might offer the best welfare benefits


#2 some but not as much as you would like to impose ...... most political decisions (balfour agreement) are made as being the least worst though of course access to natural resources is also a serious consideration, as indeed it always has been since time immemorial


#3 yes it was right, or least most certainly so at the time with no 20/20 foresight


countries also have prime responsibility for determining their own condition, rhodesia and a number of other african nations being excellent examples

Rifkind and straw to parasites of greed found they broke no rules what a bloody joke
then the rules are wrong but only apply to parliament . the house of crime .

they are low life greedy scum using their positions of gov to make more money .
well done channel four the public should be given this info on their greedy crimes

Manuel,

#1 if i was that desperate, i would be very thankful for ANY country that would grant me asylum, rather than picking and choosing as to which might offer the best welfare benefits


Do you mean that if you were in a similar situation to the migrants fleeing from "persecution" that you would not do you best to migrate to the country in which you could do the "best" for yourself and your family.

Did your forebears do that when they left Poland? That is accept the second, or third best for you family.

Very noble.
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#2 some but not as much as you would like to impose ...... most political decisions (balfour agreement) are made as being the least worst though of course access to natural resources is also a serious consideration, as indeed it always has been since time immemorial


Of course one makes bad decisions and may or may not be sorry, but there is a responsibility for those actions.

If a surgeon "genuinely" thought it correct to, and chopped a limb off for a patient with gangrene, without accepting that since the ligature higher up the limb being removed the leg was getting better, he would be liable to subsequent recompense for inept decision.

I feel sorry for the surgeon and the patient, especially if the actions were taking in war situation.

#3 yes it was right, or least most certainly so at the time with no 20/20 foresight




UMMMH.

Make it considered correct at the time, but the consequences are in the present time.

I.E there is an ongoing responsibility for decisions and actions, especially when there were other possible actions at the time.

I.E going to war in Iraq is not in the same category as defending oneself against "Hitler" etc..
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But this why I want a stronger UN and EU and a stronger UNITED NATO FORCE not a little England Defence Service, with various jumped up PM using them to bolster the political wishes.

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Anyway, one thing which strikes me as a little odd is the amount of organisation and "goods" some of the migrants are showing. UMUKUKU














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Fred so maybe your pseudonym should be Cynic after your last sentence . Don't tell me It's taken all these months to start realising all may not be as it seems . Or have you underestimated the African mind , in this age of Mobiles etc someones organising what's going on . But I'm sure you'll have flowery twat reasoning behind it . Not much gets past you mate .

#1 ...... i don't think my grandparents had much if any choice as to where they ended up
USA was probably fave, but often, as happened to my grandfather, they paid stowage to USA but were actually dumped in L'pool
there was of course no welfare state, so by and large, it was the jewish community that looked after their own, and no one else


during the last war, as you probably know, to get into UK, a (jewish) refugee had to have a sponsor who in turn had to provide proof that this refugee would not be a burden on the state


#2 ........ how far back in history do you want to go so can impose blame?


#3 ........ you do not comment upon, "countries also have prime responsibility for determining their own condition, rhodesia and a number of other african nations being excellent examples"

#2

As far back to the Anglo-Saxon, Normans and other Victims.

I would get rid of the lot.

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Croatia now getting the treatment, as Hungary has blocked the border.


The vast majority are young males...what is Merkel going to do with them when they get to Germany?

Victim,

By the way, I think it is all a conspiracy!

Everything.

You getting irritated Cynic sorry I mean Fred .