Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Is that to me GEORGE ? i am not looking to join a club ,i do however read a lot on the in's and out's of the EU .

Sorry JB, by club I meant the EU and it was just a general question, not to you specifically.
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Yes it looks like a pretty rubbish to join .

Who would indeed join a club where you contribute nearly a net £1 billion a month and the members that receive that generosity threaten to punish you severely if you dare to leave. Punish with what? We'll take our people back?
How do countries like Canada, Australia and New Zealand ever survive?
Common sense says that the EU as it exists today is doomed to failure. No organisation can be run effectively by committee. I think Liz Bilney has hit the nail on the head. It will turn out to be a battle of vested interests v the people.

"It will turn out to be a battle of vested interests v the people."

Bit like this Country then IT and no I'm on the fence and not pro or anti EU on the whole at the moment.

Vote out Stan you know it makes sense.

Whats it worth.. I am open to bribery on this one occasion -):

Your future Stan !!

Nah, having lived through the Thatcher, Blair and Cameron years I can live through just about anything.

The EU is useless , corrupt and riddled with fraud , Sir Bernard Ingram has said , writing in The yorkshire post . Scathing attack on EU.

"corrupt and riddled with fraud" well Ingram should know all about that then being a "Con" sevative won't he.

Ingram has asked: "Why should the UK throw another £12 billion a year down these mafia and assorted criminal drains?"
Good question. Same point as I made a few posts ago.
Ingram was a journalist and civil servant not a government minister or MP. He became Margaret Thatcher's press secretary and was probably the first 'spin doctor'. A practice taken to the level of brain surgeon during the Blair years.
Instead of attempting to kill the messenger by scorn, wouldn't it be more intelligent to listen to the message?

Stan wants out of the EU iturama he'd just like to hear Corbyn say it !

Corbystan is that anywhere near Afghanistan?
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it will not be the entrenched on either side who will determine the outcome
unfortunately but inevitably, all we currently see is loads of sabre rattling from one side and half promises from the other

It will be decided by us the people ,hopefully with all the mad rubbish going on we will get out of the rotten stinking EU .

Makes me laugh that they say Britain will be punished for leaving ,the same corrupt idiots who have basically told Greece to go it alone with the migrants ,build a camp on one of the islands to house 400 000 they say .
Greece needs help ,where are the EU now ? why are we not helping to police their borders .

as i said, it's not the entrenched who will make the decision

They are united in the fact that it is now every country for itself.
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Lib Dem Leader Says Cameron Is 'Heartless And Foolish'
Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron accuses David Cameron of "turning his back" on Syrian orphans by refusing to let them come to Britain.
David Cameron has been branded "heartless and foolish" for "turning his back" on 3,000 orphaned Syrian children in European camps.

The Prime Minister has rejected calls to take the vulnerable children saying that to do so could create "a magnet" to attract more migrants to cross the Mediterranean.

Three million are expected to arrive on mainland Europe this year.

His refusal to acquiesce to pressure from charities to help the 3,000 has led to criticism from the Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron who accused Mr Cameron of ignoring the migrant crisis.

Up to 80,000 migrants who arrived in Sweden last year are going to be expelled from the country, its interior minister has announced.

Anders Ygeman said thousands of migrants' asylum applications had been rejected.

"We are talking about 60,000 people but the number could climb to 80,000," he was quoted as saying by Swedish media.

He said the expulsions would be staggered over several years.

Police and authorities in charge of migrants have been asked to organise the expulsion.

Migrants whose applications are rejected are normally taken out of Sweden using commercial flights.

But because of the large number being rejected they would use specially chartered aircraft to take them out of the country, Mr Ygeman said.

Sweden accepted more than 160,000 asylum seekers last year, putting it among the EU states with the highest proportion of refugees per capita.

The number of migrant arrivals has dropped sharply since it brought in systematic photo ID checks for travellers earlier this month.

The announcement comes after a teenage asylum seeker was arrested on suspicion of murdering a female employee at a youth refugee centre in Molndal, near Gothenburg, earlier this week.

A motive for the stabbing attack was not clear, but her death has led to questions about overcrowded conditions in some centres, with too few adults and employees to look after children, many traumatised by war.

Meanwhile, neighbouring Denmark voted in favour of seizing the assets of asylum seekers to help pay for their stay while their claims are processed.

Valuables worth more than about £1,000 will be seized by police as migrants enter the country to help cover their housing and food costs.

Some have likened the new measures to the Nazis confiscating gold and other valuables from Jews during the Holocaust.

President of the Danish National Party, Kashif Ahmad, told Sky News: "There is a connotation and similarity to the 1930s and 1940s in Germany where we saw the Nazis confiscating large amounts of gold from Jews and others.

"Therefore I believe it's a disgrace and it's a shameful law that we passed."

It is part of a package of immigration reforms designed to make Denmark less appealing for migrants.