Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

OCD eh .

It,

I hope you are not using PacNet.

Economist Intelligence Unit analysts assessed the stance of the remaining 27 member states and generated a score out of 40.

A shock index showed the majority of EU members want to punish the UK and believe the UK’s withdrawal from Brussels must be costly and that any trade agreements when departing have be worse for Britain than the country's current deal.

Each member state was also placed into three groups including “hard-core”, “hard” and “soft”.

Bulgaria and Romania were placed in the “hard-core” section, over concerns about free movement and the budget. While Angela Merkel’s Germany was also seen as a “hard-core” country over its fears for the future of the EU.

Among Britain’s allies in the “soft” category were Nordic countries Sweden and Denmark who agree with Britain’s grievances over European Union regulation and trade.

The Baltic states including Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania and Poland, who fear Russian aggression, were also ranked in as allies of the UK.

Their “soft” stance comes as British troops are stationed on the Polish border in a bid to stop Russian president Vladimir Putin grabbing more Baltic land following his annexation of the Crimea.

France has been named as the nation who wants to punish Britain most of all, with the highest score in the index at 32.5.

The result echoes the hardline stance Paris has taken with Britain, with President Francois Hollande recently demanding the UK pays a £50billion divorce bill before Brussels bosses are willing to talk Brexit negotiations.

According to a new index, the EU27 countries fall into three groups: hard-core, hard and soft. These are the countries with the highest scores which indicate a fairly strong opposition to Britain’s position:



Belgium: Guy Verhofstadt said “The only winners from a Brexit would be Nigel Farage and Vladimir Putin; who would relish a divided Europe.”

ROMANIA: Klaus Werner Iohannis will defend the rights of 400,000 Romanians in Britain

SLOVAKIA: president Andrej Kiska. Slovakia will be preside over Brexit negotiations

Members were also ranked on how for and against they were on certain exit factors facing the UK.

All nations were against Britain escaping the clutches of Brussels by paying a low divorce bill. But the nations most against Britain paying a low charge were Belgium, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Netherlands, Romania, Slovakia, Spain and Sweden.

All nations were also against Britain 'cherry picking' from the four EU freedoms, but Denmark was least bothered.

The members staunchly against Britain adhering to just some of the EU principles were Austria, Belgium, Cyprus, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia and Spain.

There was some good news for Britain, with a number of nations wanting to keep trade and security ties with Britain, potentially highlighting the EU's weak spots for negotiations.

No countries were totally against low or no trade barriers between the EU and Britain.

And nine countries were listed as wanting to keep trade links. They were Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Greece, Ireland, Netherlands, Poland, Spain and Sweden.

Estonia, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Poland, Romania and Sweden wanted to sustain defence ties, according to the region.

The remaining states were indifferent.

just wait and see what evolves
you (and i) voted for out ...... you/we have a pm with backbone ..... even so, it would be preposterous to think that anything will be easy and that gains will have to be won with compromise

400 thousand Romanians for gods sake , no wonder we want out cheeky barstads . We are probably keeping that country going .

It's about time these leaders realised that the people voted out not the government , the way they talk is very disrespectful of democracy , to use the word punish is bad enough but to be under the impression that Theresa May organised it all is stupid .

Probably 300 thousand plus are prostitutes and drug trafickers , no wonder their government want to fight to keep them here.

Very good point Vic. The dopes at the EU seem to forget that it is the wish of the British people to leave the EU but they have never been very tolerant when democracy crosses their vision of "the European Project".
You left out the ATM fraudsters Dil. I suppose they make up the remaining 100,000. :)

Thanks it , what i don't understand is why this point isn't being put more forcibly to these moronic duds , maybe they would change there opinion .

Since the majority in Northern Ireland voted 'Remain', it looks like one of the best ways to solve 'the Irish border problem' could be to unite the whole of Ireland.

And they are actually talking about doing it, too.

It seems to many that many Brexiters were trying to find a cliff to jump off, not realising that parachutes weren't being offered, but wishing to take as many as they could with them.


The same behaviour was seen in Germany during the 30s when Hitler was a nice boy and then 15yearsllaterhis previous supporters pleaded they didn't know what he was really like, and they had just gone along for the ride.

Pleading they didn't know, or been let down.

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Dil,

What nationality is your sister?

Is that like being strung along by the EU and its MASTER then Freda .

Interest to see Careless, Reckless and Fauxpage are giving up UKIP and heading for pastures green.

Ducking then responsibilities and leaving others to clear up their muck.

Job done, chaos reigns, austerity for the future.

Back to the "living standards" and "community spirit" of the 30s and 50s.

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But not for all.

Jack is alright!

In your head maybe .

Which sister Fred I got two :-)

I thought you were Romanian.

Stockholm suspect arrested for 'terrorist crime' following truck attack



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/08/stockholm-attack-suspect-arrested-for-terrorist-after-truck-deaths



The reality:

https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/850427587620995072

That is the reality that should be in front of all politicians. It is the will of politicians to do away with the death penalty, not that of the people. The same happened at Westminster, Nice, Germany etc. We receive sanitised and impersonal reports in the news. 5 dead, 10 dead etc. It is difficult to relate to the persons that were going about their business and were mowed down and mutilated by hate filled misfits. This particular murderer will be looked after for the rest of his life and will, no doubt, be seen in the future claiming that his human rights have been violated by his incarceration. Some people have no right to compassion.

It is very quiet!

Get those battle buses back on the road. General Election in June, good idea or bad?!