Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

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The Jewish Torah is just as bad as the Koran for preaching violence. There are Jewish orthodox preachers who say Arabs are donkeys and it fine to kill them and use them how you want. In schools in Israel, pupils are told that Arabs are evil. May Israeli children grow up hating Arabs but don't know why. The Bible has plenty of violent suggestions such as an eye for an eye and worse. Moderate followers of these religions ignore all the crazy stuff.

Which is worse for violence? The Koran or the Bible. See if you can guess. The Bible applies to Christians and Jews.

1. Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the [holy man] who represents God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged.

2. I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.

3. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am God.

4. Fight them until there is no more [disbelief or worshipping of other gods] and worship is for God alone.

5. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother-in-law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

6. Whoso fighteth in the way of God, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

7. Make ready to slaughter [the infidel’s] sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.

8. [God’s messenger]... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The [holy man] replied, "They [women and children] are from them [unbelievers]."

9. Then I heard God say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.”

10. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

11. Keep [my holiday], for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die.

12. The punishment of those who wage war against God and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement.

13. If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.

14. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land...

15. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

16. I shall terrorize the [heathens]. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them, because they oppose God and his apostle.

17. A [holy man’s] daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.

18. So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.

19. Everyone who would not seek God was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

20. And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.

21. But if [a girl wasn't a virgin on her wedding night] and evidence of the girl's virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her father’s house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against God’s people by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.

22. The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say, "O [believer]! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

23. If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you.

24. God’s Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but God."

25. Cursed be he who does God’s work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood.

26. God said, "A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. [Prophet], you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But God desires killing them to manifest the religion."

27. Anyone who blasphemes God’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of [believers].

28. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) [your religion]; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them... If they refuse to accept [the faith], demand from them [a tax]. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek God's help and fight them.

29. Anyone else who goes too near the [Holy Place] will be executed.

30. Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us.

Change a few words here and there and is sounds like the Tory party mantras and rantings.

Fred needs help, we know this.

Odd numbered quotes are from the Bible, even numbers from the Quran or Hadith.

1. Deuteronomy17:12 NLT; 2. Bukhari 11:626; 3. Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT; 4. Quran 2:193; 5. Matthew 10:34-35; 6. Quran 4:74; 7.Isaiah 14:21 NAB; 8. Bukhari 52:256; 9. Ezekiel 9:5 NLT; 10. Quran 8:12; 11. Exodus 31:12-15 NLT; 12. Quran5:33; 13. Leviticus 20:10 NLT; 14. Quran 8:67; 15. Numbers 31: 17-18 KJV; 16. Quran 8:12; 17. Leviticus 21:9 NAB; 18. Quran 9:5; 19. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB; 20. Quran 17:16; 21. Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB; 22.Bukhari 52:177; 23. Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB; 24. Bukhari 8:387; 25. Jeremiah 48:10 NAB; 26. Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484; 27. Leviticus 24:16 NLT; 28. Muslim 19:4294; 29. Numbers 1: 51 NLT; 30. Tabari 9:69

I like the way Fred brought me in as inciting violence , how many people did i say i wanted to kill today Fred ?....

Best not to read fred. I haven't read his posts for a very long time. Filter him.

jimmy b - 15 Jul 2016 10:06 - 72619 of 72668

The biggest threat is home grown terrorists ,how do you stop someone born in that country with no criminal record suddenly deciding to go on a suicide mission ?
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What was inciting hatred with that comment i made this morning Fred ?

Or is it ok in your world to run down and kill 84 adults and children and wound 200 others .
Fred you always come out in some sort of support for these people ,you have done it time and again ,you really are not just ignorant but a vile pig.

Saint Theresa deploys catch 22.





Theresa May suggests Brexit delay as she says no Article 50 until Scotland gives go-ahead


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/theresa-may-flies-to-edinburgh-to-tell-scots-that-she-believes-w/

Oink, Oink!

Oink, Oink!

MILITARY COUP UNDERWAY IN TURKEY

Just the country we wanted to join the EU !!

They were never going to join the EU as they are too unstable and their human rights too bad. It was just another lie from the Leave campaign.

Will you get it into your thick skull haystack, the day after the referendum
the EU reopened talks on fastracking Turkey's accession to the EU.

Obviously this event which is taking place will now put the talks in jeopardy
and the Turks chances of joining.

You seem to be politically naive. The EU wants Turkey or more specifically President Erdogan to be helpful over immigrants. There are 3m refugees in Turkey and increasing steadily. If they do not hang on to them we will get them in Europe. The EU has been stringing Erdogan on for some time by pretending he can join the EU. He wants access to cheap money in the EU just as Greece got. Turkey stands absolutely no chance of joining the EU for many years. They are so far away from being suitable as a candidate in almost every area.

It would take them at least 30 years to meet te requirement. They would also have to avoid a veto by all 27 countries. Denmark recently had a referendum that rejected Turkey and at least a half dozen other countries don't want them. They didn't have a proper judiciary as Erdogan appoints the judges. He has been taking powers to himself to make laws by decree. Only the gullible ad Erdogan believed that Turkey would join the EU.

There may have been supposed accelerated entry to the EU, but it is a fantasy. Their economy, human rights, democracy and a host of other things prevent it.

Apart from anything, where did you read about Turkey getting accelerated access the day after the referendum. I can't find it. I know it was reported that it would happen the day after in such rags like the Express.

The EU has been stringing Erdogan on for some time by pretending he can join the EU.

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Well you have gone and told him now Haystack ,when he reads that above iv'e no doubt he will just open the gates to Europe ,all your fault !!

I am happy about Leaving, but the campaign was a fraud. It appeared to have a manifesto but without any power to carry out any promises. For instance the promise to spend some of our EU contribution on the NHS. The trouble is that if they won the campaign, they would have no power to do that. They were not a party and were never going to have any power. They made pledges and some foolish people believed them. Their promises do not bind this or any other government. The money will not be spent on the NHS and nor should it be. None of the promises are possible.

It is not me telling him. When Cameron said that Turkey could could not join during the referendum campaign, Erdogan got very upset and said he had been betrayed.