This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

Going to war was an attempt at winning another election.
I Agree we should have gone, blair hid the facts because he didnt have the gumption to be honest. The whole WMD question to me is irrelevant, they got rid of Saddam a WMD on his own.
The people there have never had real freedom, its hard for them to suddenly have it. We take it for granted. This mixed with primary school level education makes it hard for the real people to grasp our systems of government, and to see a real future.

How many in this country "grasp our system" etc. ?

lol

Marc

They understand it but they'll never have it!

The rival Islamic factions will keep fighting each other, killing millions (including foreign troops) and eventually create seperate states from the wrecked remains of Iraq. We should pull out and leave them to it before all our troops are sacrificed to this lost cause.

Islam "the religion of peace"

Not being funny but when did any war in the name of GOD do anything but result in a lot of dead people?

ALL Religion has a lot to answer for.

Religion has been the cause of more deaths since time began than anything else.
Amazing since religion, I was told, was all about peace understanding and a tolerant way of life.
In iraq most of the fighting is not being done by the iraqi people, but small factions from outside the country, who have hi jacked the situation to fuel there own aims and ideals.
Richard your right, that if the people dont take ownership of thier country then they will be dragged back into the quadmire from which there are emerging.
The west can only do so much. In my opinion this should be limited to establishing the basic infrastructure of a society, including police and goverment, the n pulling out.
The british armed forces are stretched to limits as it is. There is no reserve. If another emergency occurs now britiain will not have the troops to respond. To clarify, if the falklands were invaded today britain could not retake them without the help of NATO.

I believe that Bush and Blair consider themselves Christians and the Israeli Prime minister calls himself a Jew.

All went to war and committed murder with GOD ON THEIR SIDES.

I don't think it is the GOD or the religion that is the problem but the abuse that leaders make in the name of religion.

My feeling is that when eventually we withdraw from Iraq we will leave behind chaos and a more unstable Middle East.

I also think that Israel should be made to pay financial retribution for the Atrocities the committed in Lebanon. Also they should be compelled use their personnel to clear the clusters bombs and unexploded armaments they have left.

Iraq and Lebanon will be the legacy of Blair and Bush.

It is good to see at last there are some in the labour party with the moral courage to call for his departure. I hope sooner rather than later.

Monday would do.

Fred, I believe we agree on the third line!!
Got to say though that the Irael problem goes back before Blair was in power. before he was born in truth!!!
Alan

then it's agreed...lets declare war on the ultimate terrorist: GOD and those that allegedly represent him.

I feel better already.
:-))))) lol

Blessed are the meek, oh shut up big nose!!

well if it's good enuoght for je-hovah


when in rome.........
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Yeah, but you trod on my bloody foot.
And you're eating my juniper berries!!!

your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries.
organic and packed in biodegradeable packaging- obviously not the hamster...that would be cruel and stupid.

Gee!

C'mon fred, look on the bright side of life!!

Somalia's Islamic rulers shut down radio station for playing love songs
Sunday September 10, 2006
By SALAD DUHUL
Associated Press Writer
MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) Islamic militants controlling much of southern Somalia shut down a radio station Sunday for playing love songs and other music, the latest step to impose strict religious rule which has sparked fears of an emerging, Taliban-style regime.

Since sweeping to power over much of southern Somalia, including the capital Mogadishu, in June, the Islamists have banned movie viewing, publicly lashed drug users and broke up a wedding celebration because a band was playing and women and men were socializing together.

The group closed Radio Jowhar because the programs were un-Islamic, Islamic official Sheik Mohamed Mohamoud Abdirahman said. It was the only radio station in Jowhar, some 55 miles from Mogadishu.

``It is useless to air music and love songs for the people,'' Abdirahman said.

Said Hagaa Ahmed, Radio Jowhar's director, confirmed the station had been closed but declined further comment.

The Islamic militants have brought a semblance of order to Somalia after years of anarchy.

But the United States accuses the Islamic leaders of harboring al-Qaida militants responsible for deadly bombings at the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.

Jowhar resident Ali Musse said closing the radio station was a violation of freedom.

``This directive is like the Taliban,'' Musse told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. ``It is censorship against independent media and freedom of expression.''

The hardline Islamic Taliban rulers of Afghanistan banned secular music, art, television, and education for girls before they were overthrown by a U.S. invasion in late 2001.

Somalia has not had a police force or judiciary for 16 years since the warlords overthrew longtime dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991 and then turned on each other, carving much of the country into armed camps ruled by violence and clan law.

Somalia has a weak transitional government set up two years ago with U.N. backing, but it has been unable to assert its authority beyond Baidoa, 150 miles northwest of Mogadishu, and could only watch helplessly as Islamic militants seized the capital in June.

(Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

Let us not loose sight of the fact that USA and UK without approval from the UN declared war on Iraq not because Saddam Hussein was a bad man but because Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that SH was colluding with Alquaida and could attack Britain within 45 minutes. Oil was never an issue to the Big Texan.

The attack was with the approval of the UN and it was because Saddam was not allowing full and free inspection and was believed to hold or be developing WMD.
Not quite the same as you wrote. Deposing him was just a bonus, that to my mind justified everything that happened anyway.
Alan

hear hear alan.

SH played a game, he gambled that the west would fold again. This time they never and he lost. The WMD he had or never had, are really irrelevant, he deicded to imply that he did and as a result he got what he deserved.

will the west fold against Iran????????? are they making WMD, according to the US AND GB most definately., they have great record of knowing dont they???