Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Cynic
I suspect the reason Fred did not answer your question is because, whilst he does not like the neo cons, as he likes to call them, he dislikes the English even more, as exemplified by his constant use of "Little Englander" as an insult.

This could be described as racist but it may be that he was given a bad time by someone English in his formative years and he has never got over it, despite choosing to spend his declining years in this sweet and pleasant land.

What ever the reason Ruth Davidson is Scottish not English and that puts her way above anyone English.

Martini,

Some of the English when they are trained properly are quite good.

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Davidson.

I think the tory party's "success" in Scotland is complicated.

Also, think the "values" of the "labour" in Scotland and the SNP are very similar, also their positions have to be considered in relation to Scottish independence.

Personally, I don't her see as appealing to the English electorate.

ruth davidson
first question was whether or not you see her as a serious politician
you have yet to answer that




next question is why you think she would not appeal to the english - broaden that please! - to uk electorate

certainly the tories in scotland under her leadership routed labour, for whatever reasons you might now like to rationalise that result

as RD does not come from what is percieved (accurate or not) as the typical tory mould or background, she might appeal at that level
also, she can enter any leadership contest with a proven record of bringing in a result

Manuel,

DYOH.

Your opinion is your own.

Although, I have a brother living in Edinburgh we don't seem to discuss local politics and I have little knowledge of working day Scottish politics.

Try reading longer articles in the Guardian, Observer or listening to the Scottish media,

oh dear ..... it's always the same fred; you're never willing to give a straight answer to a straight question posed ....... scottish politics per se do not really come into the equation here .....

you should try some contemplaton of your emotional shortcomings ..... you might then glean some insight as to why you feel compelled to be so supercilious towards others

btw, i already know my own opinion re RD

You are entitled to your opinion.

I think you are guilty of projection.

Besides, you seem to me to have ADS and unlikely to comprehend a fuller answer.

It would be waste of time trying to help you.

Your age has caught up with you.

I don't like Ruth Davidson.

fred - i know you love being a supercilious knob, which role you have certainly perfected ..... nevertheless, you refusal to give a straight answer to a straight question goes to show what a waste of time it is to try to have even a half-way sensible discussion with you


dil - out of curiosity, why not?

Sod it, it wont come up, but worth a look..


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/22/the-billionaires-guide-to-surviving-global-warming-with-ian-the-climate-denialist-potato

From the referendum thread
cynic - 17 Jan 2018 13:47 - 8498 of 8506

''have you guys not yet learned that fred will always argue that black is white, and if you then agree, he'll change tack and say no, white is black''

Someone needs to take their own advice

am i really that bad? ....... sorry :-(
to be honest, i thought i was pretty consistent, even if the observations are rubbish

She's a remoaner cynic and comes across as arrogant to me.

at least you have a reason and are happy to state it, unlike fred who won't actually voice anything

at this juncture, it should be remebered that Ruth Davidson was fighting for seats excluysively in scotland ..... scotland, for whatever reasons, voted overwhelmingly to stay in eu
it follows that RD (currently) has an obligation to fight that corner, just as TM has an obligation to fight to remove us from eu, for that was the countrywide majority view

what i like about RD is that she is cast from a very different mold from the perceived typical tory mp or even (potential) leader ...... that can be no bad thing

Well if that's true cynic then someone should tell the Labour dickhead in charge of the Welsh Assembley that Wales voted out.

He is definitely not speaking on behalf of those who elected him or the majority of the Welsh nation.

He obviously feels under no obligation to fight for what we voted for , bit like Corby and his loonies.

momentum (+ corbyn) has a very different agenda from the true voting public ...... better hope that they all wake up in time, or we'll be back in the dark days of 70s or worse with the country being run by the militant unions



back in about 1920, the bolsheviks under lenin and stalin etc, also refused to admit that their dream of collective agriculture (and ultimately industry) was a complete and utter catastrophe, resulting in endemic hunger throughout russia, and genocide by imposed famine in the ukraine

unfortunately, it took a further 50 years for that system and mentality to collapse, though in part, it still lingers on

While Ruth Davidson stays in Scotland and speaks English (be it with an accent), the lass has done well, by kicking Labour into touch and sending Nicola Sturgeon`s ambitions and divisive Battle Cry`s to the bottom of Loch Lomand, those cry`s will soon become just another folk story like Nessie. All just fishy stories like Ruth being a real remoaner, more like a vote catcher at any price, like clot Corbyn`s promises of utopia.

so would you like to see RD as a contender as and when a leadership election becomes due?

I certainly would cynic, she is a breath of fresh air up here.

Is this the 1922 committee? She has enough to do up there keeping the other tomboy in check. Personally, after Blair, Bruin and Cameron, I have had enough of Scots making a mess down here. Exception is Alex Young, he can stay. Rebuild the wall...