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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

MrCharts - 08 Feb 2009 18:53 - 841 of 6906

Reminds me of that nice Herr Hitler chappie. Democratically elected, of course, so must be ok. His words are only empty rhetoric, don't you know. And he likes dogs. And he has that lovely doctor friend, what's his name? Oh yes, Dr Mengele. Wonderful doctor. Do Google him if his name isn't familiar.
No need to have bombed Germany and murdered all those innocent German women and children. Should have just negotiated with him and all would have been well.
And why blockade Germany? How cruel. How murderous. They only wanted humanitarian supplies.

Fred1new - 08 Feb 2009 18:58 - 842 of 6906

Here again is charty at what he does best. Insult the messenger without reading the message.

You can take a donkey to water, but you can't make it drink.

I find this level of insult like his previous arguments naive and puerile. I hope it isn't the mindset of the Israelis as a whole. Perhaps, he represents and exhibits their poor leadership at the moment.

A reason why they are losing the respect which they may have had previously.



cynic - 08 Feb 2009 19:05 - 843 of 6906

Fred ....
do you or do you not condemn the Hamas TV clip? .....

do you or do you not think that young children are particularly susceptible to being inculcated with blind prejudice that will preset many of the views they take into adult and parenthood? .....

do you or do you not think that parents pass on their own prejudices to their children?

the answers to the above require no more than yes/no answers

MightyMicro - 08 Feb 2009 19:05 - 844 of 6906

Fred, once again, have you watched the video in post 821?

I look forward to your critique of it.

Gausie - 08 Feb 2009 19:57 - 845 of 6906

Here fred - save you looking for it, I'll repost.

splat - 08 Feb 2009 20:36 - 846 of 6906

Fred, give over for eff's sake please. I don't normally comment on this sort of thread, but really, I have never heard so much tosh. You have the most simplistic and naive view of the world I've ever heard. Oh and by the way, - you can take a horse to water..etc. I think is the phrase

chocolat - 08 Feb 2009 20:44 - 847 of 6906

He knows that, splat.

I know that Fred likes to think that he chooses his words carefully.

Fred1new - 08 Feb 2009 22:05 - 848 of 6906

Cynic,

I havent watched the Clip you are referring to, but I will try to answer your question.

Children do introject morals and values from their parents or carers.
(As can be observed from the contents of many of many of the postings on this thread.)
Also, they can develop their morality from conscious observation of their peers, teacher, and lecturers, or from reading and the media at later stages in their lives.

The majority of people are generally intellectually capable of reviewing parts of their early learning and modify their behaviour and outdated stances by re-evaluation of their positioning. That is by updating their internal databases of information and consciously modifying outdated pieces of data they are capable of change.

Generally, those who do, have a more flexible understanding and tolerant attitude to their fellow human beings. The latter is not obligatory, but personally I have observed this happening to myself, members of my family and those around me. Some of whom have had lousy experiences and discrimination through various stages of their lives.
I think and hope that everybody is capable of such revisions. Generally, the ones who do, appear to be more mature, rational and happier individuals.

Also, I have known and seen adults from horrendous personal family backgrounds, develop into caring, thoughtful, decent and successful adults. They were able to put their psychopathic backgrounds behind them and mature in well-formed individuals.

They were not blinkered or distorted by their pasts, nor did they project their problems, attitudes, feelings, or suppositions on to others.

From what is posted on this thread one can see that some are frightened and lack the will to reconsider their past or present beliefs and positions, preferring to hang on to them even thought they are outdated, while the world around them changes.

I dont think a personality is a fixed entity; it is constantly modifying and developing. Sometimes developing for the better and sometimes not so.

This probably reads as pompous, but you asked me a question on a subject I have thought about and considered on and off for over 50 years.

I have tried to simplify the answer to a very complex problem. At least I try to think and question my beliefs.

Doing this for many creates too much uncertainty for them.

==

Chocolat, I try to pick my worlds carefully and think about the contents of what I write.

Perhaps you should try doing so.

hilary - 08 Feb 2009 22:08 - 849 of 6906

Guess who.

Fred1new - 08 Feb 2009 22:16 - 850 of 6906

Hilary

Ho. ho.Ho.

I would think it is a fairly accurate portrait of yourself. Possibly the source of your information and humour.

Revert to reading and viewing the international opinion of Israel's action and consider where your head is.

The opinion of the United Nations the humanitarian groups, the American Administration and spokesmen of the majority of European governments have similar views to mine. Perhaps you are sharing a psychosis. Consider your reactions to any criticism of Irsrael's murderous disprortionate actions.

There are even groups of Israelis within Israel who are condemning the actions.



Isaacs - 08 Feb 2009 22:18 - 851 of 6906

Fred is just deliberately on a wind up mission now but seeing as he mentioned it amazing that somebody who says "at least I try to think and question my beliefs" refuses to watch that video (or at least refuses to admit to having watched it.)

Isaacs - 08 Feb 2009 22:22 - 852 of 6906

"Chocolat, I try to pick my worlds carefully and think about the contents of what I write.

Perhaps you should try doing so."

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Fred - not sure if that was a typo or you do really believe you can pick your world ;)

hilary - 08 Feb 2009 22:24 - 853 of 6906

It's strange that you appear to have automatically assumed that the picture referred to you, Fred. Why might that be?

splat - 08 Feb 2009 22:39 - 854 of 6906

:-) Hils

Gausie - 08 Feb 2009 22:39 - 855 of 6906

Cos he remembers when it was taken.

MightyMicro - 08 Feb 2009 22:49 - 856 of 6906

Fred,

You said, in post 848, I haven’t watched the Clip you are referring to . . .

My question is: why have you not?

MM

tyketto - 09 Feb 2009 01:04 - 857 of 6906

Because, just like Hamas, he has one point of view and he's
not about to destroy his rant.
Mediation from Hamas's point of view.
Hah.

cynic - 09 Feb 2009 08:16 - 858 of 6906

sorry Fred, but having skimmed through your response, for yes or no would have sufficed to all 3/4 questions i asked instead of 100-200 words, you are at best rationalising and certainly your early para of " most people ....." is actually balderdash

Fred1new - 09 Feb 2009 10:22 - 859 of 6906

MM
No. Because, I didnt read that post. But I would expect from remarks to be at the usual offensive level.


tyk.
My views are similar to views to the majority of informed opinion. Unless you consider your opinions posted on this thread superior to the International Humanitarians Agencies and The United Nations. If so like others on this thread I think you need a reality check.

Cynic.
I think the problem is the superficiality of your question. Perhaps, it shows a limitation of your knowledge on personality maturation processes.



Hilary, as I said I thought it was a self-portrait of you yourself.

One of the many interesting thing about humour, is that it the humorist is showing their own values and also the position from which he/she views the world.

Have a nice thoughtful day.

hilary - 09 Feb 2009 10:44 - 860 of 6906

Fred,

In the space of 5 short weeks you have succeeded in alienating yourself against the vast majority of people who use this bulletin board with your pathetic rant. When people have tried to point this out to you, you've just ignored them and instead refer to messages of support that you've received.

It might also interest you to learn that I and many others here communicate away from the boards. Without exception, everyone that I have been in contact with these last few weeks is calling you a "fcuking prat". They're not my words. The majority have also decided to just ignore you and leave you in the corner to froth away at the mouth until the vet arrives.

Food for thought?

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