Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

That's me . lol

Unemployment rates in the Euro-zone
Germany 6.2% Lowest rate since Reunification
Euro Average 8.9%
France 10.3%
Austria 10.4%
Italy 11.5%
Portugal 12.2%
Spain 20.9%
Greece 24.6%

Since 1999 when the single currency was introduced it has certainly benefited Germany at the expense of Greece, Spain and Portugal, (Indeed most other members) The one-size fits all suits Germany.

Greece is surely never going to repay its loans or indeed recover. They are in a very bad way.

Yes they are and Europe has all but abandoned them .
Merkel invites the middle east to Europe and when she realises the problem she has caused leaves it to Greece ,disgusting.
I like Greece ,i have been to many of the islands including those that are now migrant camps ,the Greek people are generally good ,i really feel for them.

‘This is all a German racket designed to take over the whole of Europe.


‘It has to be thwarted. This rushed takeover by the Germans on the worst possible basis, with the French behaving like poodles to the Germans, is absolutely intolerable . . . I’m not against giving up sovereignty in principle, but not to this lot.


You might just as well give it up to Adolf Hitler, frankly.’



N. Ridley


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2680183/Is-EU-just-German-racket-Europe-Nearly-25-years-ago-Tory-minister-told-DOMINIC-LAWSON-lost-job-firestorm-followed-right-along.html

Interesting Max, very sad jimmy for the youngsters of the country as well.

Interesting to hear the Bank of England governors remarks today. Thought he was meant to stay neutral. Seems to be backing staying in, with the instability remarks of leaving.

Mervyn King on Sunday was guardedly for leaving..As to the present BOE governor, he stated his views a couple of months ago, towing the governments line..

I suppose Mark Carney (Bank of England governor) has to give his view

There's far too many pro europhiles GIVING their pro eu stance when what they're spouting is either deception, speculation or plain LIES...

Some of them need to keep their mouths shut, to give the appearance of neutrality..

carney did not have that luxury

What I think you're saying is.. Carney believes the bankers and financiers are to stupid to think for themselves...What other reason would there be??..

What I am saying is the Governor of the Bank of England is the most senior position in the Bank of England. He is also Chairman of the Monetary Policy Committee, with a major role in guiding national economic and monetary policy, and is therefore one of the most important public officials in the United Kingdom. I would think he would know more than most going into the UNKNOWN, with a exit vote. I do not feel he would bend the truth. So how can he just sit there with his mouth shut. That would be totally irresponsible. There would be shouts for his resignation after the vote, and indeed for lying/or bending fact. Also his main point of pulling out would lead to the biggest threat of financial instability for Britain, I hope would be well thought out before the British public vote. In other words to me, we will be heading into the UNKNOWN. Something the British public should hear about.

UKNOWN!!..BEND THE RULES!!...

It had to be drag out of him for him to admit that there was also some threats to staying in..His intention was to just give the negatives on what it 'could' be like if the UK were to leave.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense would except that there would be turbulence in the begining, just like any shock, but it usually recovers, particularly when the new trade deals could take up to 2 years...But trade would'nt stop it would carry on.

Does that also mean that if we do leave and nothing major cataclysmic happens then all these pro-europhiles who used scarmongering and lies and deception would ALL resign en-mass???...

It's a known unknown imo.

What, exactly will change?

Will the €uro's pull up the drawbridge? .... No!

Will La Belle France refuse to sell us vino? ... No!

Will the Germans refuse to sell us Cars? ... No!

Will the city decamp to Frankfurt? ... No! (Boris is their man)

Will the €uro's impose a tax on imports from blighty? ... No imo, it's a two way street, and they have a lot more to lose if they go down that route.


The above are but a few thoughts that come to mind.

I don't think it is that simple grannyboy. :-))

max - your analysis is far too narrow and shallow

Its understanding the SHOCK that will go through the system on exit.

Take the plunge we will be fine ,Europe will end up dragging us down because Europe won't work in the end ,Turkey joining ,god help us.

We also need to get rid of our mad political correctness as well.

Just read below , we have gone mad.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3479740/Consultant-suspended-hospital-confronting-surgeon-planned-operate-hijab-despite-against-safety-regulations.html