Had this on the watch list too long and could kick my own ass if it was possible. I think this is just the type of play needed on these markets along with Value shares such as Churchill China that I recommended yesterday.

Heres just a brief background on the company.................

Hedge fund leads rush to float
by Louise Armitstead
RAB Capital is the first to plan a listing in London. Others are bound to follow

IN the spring of 1999 Philip Richards and Michael Alen-Buckley arrived almost empty-handed at their new office — a small room in 1 Adam Street, just off the Strand in central London.
The day — April Fools’ Day — seemed apt at the time. Richards and Alen-Buckley, both highly regarded bankers at Merrill Lynch, were giving up stellar careers to start their own hedge fund, RAB Capital. The only money they had was their own, and their staff consisted of one manager, a compliance officer and a secretary.

Five years on, the little room in 1 Adam Street, still RAB Capital’s main trading floor, albeit straining under a vastly expanded workforce, is again the engine room of an ambitious and pioneering venture.

Last week RAB Capital became the first stand-alone hedge-fund company to announce its intention to float in London.

Richards, 46, and Alen-Buckley, 43, will be at the helm of a company with a market value that could be as high as 100m. Their stakes could be worth 30m each. Advised by KBC Peel Hunt, the firm will release a prospectus tomorrow revealing how much money it intends to raise.

In the past five years, Richards, a former army officer, and Alen-Buckley, who is the son-in-law of the hotelier Lord Forte, have increased their funds under management from 4m to an estimated 1.1 billion. They have 40 staff (16 of them managers), 7 hedge funds and a track record that is the envy of the City.

RAB’s first fund, the European equities fund, which was launched in November 1999, has made returns of 84% despite the tumbling markets.

Floating will for the first time allow small investors to take part in the success of a hedge-fund boutique rather than investing in one fund.

But there is growing concern that they will also be exposed to risks that at the moment are restricted to professional investors.

Watching in the wings are hundreds of other hedge-fund managers, salivating at the thought of following RAB to market and realising the value of their businesses. Investment bankers and advisers are also rubbing their hands at the prospect of a spate of similar deals.

Two funds earmarked for flotation are Thames River Capital and GLG Partners, one of the biggest hedge funds in London, with about $8 billion under management. Experts say plenty of others are looking to float as a way of cashing in.

Richards and Alen-Buckley dismiss the suggestion that this is their motive for floating RAB. “Right from the start we wanted to create a long-term business and we’re here to stay,” said Richards. “Floating is an indication of our permanence. Neither one of us will be taking cash out. We are also doing this for our staff. We have given them options over the years and this will be their chance to realise some cash. Staff loyalty is important to us and to our clients, who like the stability this offers.”

The cash raised from the float will also be used to launch additional hedge funds and bankroll the company’s rapid expansion.

Managers have already been hired for several new funds that will specialise in energy and in Japan. Small investors are likely to be attracted through a joint venture with Saga, which provides services for the over-fifties and has 7m customers.

Richards and Alen-Buckley built impressive reputations in the City working together in the late 1980s at Smith New Court, where they helped to build the stockbroker from a market value of 10m to one of 500m by the time it was sold to Merrill Lynch in 1995.

Both men had been watching the growing hedge-fund industry with interest. Alen-Buckley had numerous contacts, including leading figures such as George Soros. They spent four years at Merrill before quitting to set up RAB.

Alen-Buckley, who is taking the title of executive chairman, is described as the “public face” of the business. Richards, who goes from chief investment officer to chief executive, is more involved in strategy.

Richards runs the Special Situations fund, which is just over a year old but has already generated a return of 1,274%.

Since hedge funds are known for being opaque and secretive, observers are concerned that RAB will struggle to live with the scrutiny that comes with being a public company.

Richards said the company planned to float on the Alternative Investment Market (AIM) rather than the main market so that lengthy meetings with institutions could be avoided. “We want to spend our time managing the money, not talking about it,” he said.

“We have a simple philosophy. Our goal is to produce consistent returns in all market conditions. We think that if you work on managing the risks and reducing the downside, the upside tends to look after itself. The float is exciting but it will still be business as usual.”ENDS



Please DYOR, you are responsible for your own buying and selling timing actions.

cheers GF

Certainly not bonn1e, I suggest you get hold of the proper facts before making off cuff remarks.

Ask yourself why a person posts here when he as no intention of buying or selling. Why he targets this paticulat thread and also that of the poster Hawick.

Anyway back to the facts and taken from the Investors Chronicle that featured RAB CAPITAL....................

IC view:

This looks an altogether more substantial issue than many recent Aim debutants. Not only is it profitable - basic earnings per share have risen from 37p in 2001 to 2.45 in 2003 - but the company will be a decent size on admission. And the stellar track record of Man Group, now a FTSE100 constituent, bodes well. Worth watching.

cheers GF.

So what's the average fund performance goldfinger, rather than just highlighting the best one?


What are the historic eps....fully diluted?


Was 2001-2003 the best period in recent times for a hedge fund?

Don't you think that 2.45 eps is misleading goldfinger...why would you want people to think that the eps is 2.45?

From a money AM competitor board, which according to above posts you have read:

" There is a mistake in Investor Chronicles article re: EPS. It should read 0.37p and 2.45p"

ThirdEye go and do your own Research. Dont ask others.

I and other would like to know the answers, surely helps us all get a balanced opinion.


Sorry I don't have the same bullish view perhaps that is what is annoying?


If the bulls have a strong case I'm sure they will be pleased to answer, as they have an opportunity to strengthen it?

Goldfinger, perhaps I should have simply said: ignore his comments!

Third eye, says:
"helps us all get a balanced opinion."

This can only be achieved by others putting in some effort into research to provide the balance.

One person attacking another is counter productive to meaningful discussion.

I'll ask again, see if I get an answer from some kind soul over the weekend.


What is the average growth fund rate overall, so we can get a balanced picture, rather than the one conviently picked out at 1200%.

Invisage,

There is a squelch button to delete those posters that annoy you!

I say keep the debate going, it's civilised, (and let's keep it so please!)
and surely we all want to hear the bull / bear argment here?

Andy

Im more then happy to hear a Bull/Bear opinion.

We can then say whether we agree or not. When we do our research we dont have to show all, we dont have to show any to be honest. I certainly keep some of it to myself.

If you want a balanced view then post some negatives, why should we post both.

i just like to say invisage this is not the right way

to go about things. thirdeye he big irritant and cause

trouble on this site before. i report him. you do same please.

i invest in this company and i work out p/e market cap/profit

after tax to be with 54p share, p/e of 22.5 and man group 21.8

but that established company, smaller company should have

bigger p/e, so rab cheap.

as edmund jackson say in sunday paper rab doing very well in

new year making big profit over last year. i buy more of these

at this price. i see bargain.

Why are the bulls frightend to give the average fund increase instead of picking the best one of 1200%

All that's happened is they have called me ******** & ****


I have been polite & kept debate focused on RAB.


You aren't doing the bull cause any favours in your debate.

Hi sinutab, I see you have worked out the historical P/E. Just wonder if you took the change of year end into account Which makes 13 months profit after tax, that would put the stock on a historical p/e of circa 24 hardly demanding for a hedge fund and should be at least if not more in line with the highest tech shares 35 plus.

The company have said that they expect to increase profit after tax 100% this financial year starting at the calendar year 2004 and from the reports we have seen so far they are in front of budgeted levels.

I therefore conclude that on an historical P/E of circa 24 and profits after tax, budgeted at 100% plus, the forward P/E for this company is a low circa 12, hardly demanding as a niche fund player, and well below the high P/Es of the top tech companies that cannot get anywhere near the returns this stock can provide.

In my opionion its derd cheap and a stock I really beleive will outperform in the next 12 months.

cheers GF.

Well this has got to be the best rival to the sniping on the CYH thread! For what it,s worth I in on this one, and no one has commented on the fact that RAB have taken over a co. called I2S trading on Aim at 157p--100% and this pushed the shares up 12.50p when it was announced last week. There is bound to be profit taking for a while. This is a young company that has so far performed very well lets hope they can keep it up!! Other rivals are watching with interest! fingers crossed and good luck holders.

Goldfinger you say "I therefore conclued that on an historical P/E of circa 24 and profits after tax budgeted at 100% plus"


How can 100% tax on profits give a p/e ratio? that doesn't makwe sense...sorry....or did you mean something else?



Anyone got the average fund rate increase, the only one the bulls seem to want to mention is the one of 1200%.....I am sure I'll get an answer if I keep trying.

An increase on profit of 100% after tax--is promised, so if the p/e is 24 this year--actual, then next year should be a p/e of 12 if they meet their forecasts.
the 1200% is the increase of the value of the funds they are managing!! wish they,d take over mine, I wouldn,t need to sit talking to you lot! go on third eye join us and buy some!!

LOL, think thirdeye as been at the whisky bottle again, he seems rather confused.

cheers Gf.

Hi Moneyplus I see it was easy enough for you to understand re- to my forward P/E, I should add that thirdeye has a reputation for drinking after 4pm, he seems a little confused. Sorry I cannot help that.

On the takeover of 12s they also picked up 4 million of cash aswell which is certainly a positive move.

cheers GF.

4m of cash & a market cap of about 180m.....dwindling by the last three days.

Spiked & looks set to drop further on the chart to me.


If they are in mining, that seems to have peaked, dollar is strengthening, gold is weakening, inflation is the worry, not de-flation, therefore likely interest rate movements upwards will strenghten the US$ further imo.

How wrong you are. Inflationary pressure as the US is getting, leads to interest rate increases, inflationary pressure also leads to buyers of currencies moving into the Gold and base metal markets as a hedge against currency loses.

The bull market in base metals hasnt even started yet. Heres an excelent piece on the subject........

The stock, bond, dollar, and gold charts seem to be warning that a second top in the stock market will occur in the next 2 weeks, and then the Fed will have a rate hike on May 4 or this summer causing a large sell-off in stocks, bonds, and the US dollar. Gold should start rising to new highs because of inflation fears as supported by the rapidly rising commodity prices. Gold stocks could sell-off in the first week of May and then start their next wave up to new highs. So May could become very volatile. Now is the time to sell any stock and/or bond mutual funds, and take a look at bear funds, commodity funds, and gold stocks/funds.



Don Delavan
SBRB Management Corp.
17 April 2004
ENDS.

And take a look at bear funds, commodity funds, and gold stocks/funds.

YUP WEVE GOT THEM ALL AT RAB, shame your missing out thirdeye, mind some say you have always been a loser.

cheers GF.

ps, just goes to show the detail he pays to comments, see what I mean moneyplus re to the 4 million 12s have. See what we are up against, it just isnt worth dealing with him, mind Andy seems to take him seriously, perhaps andy would like to handle the Bull case from here onwards?.