for more information about stanelco click on the links.

driver's research page link
http://www.moneyam.com/InvestorsRoom/posts.php?tid=7681#lastread
website link
http://www.stanelco.co.uk/index.htm

Paul - I asked a question twice (copy of my second post reprinted below) and you have declined to answer although I see you have made other posts since I asked the question.

I assume from your failure to answer that you do not have any knowledge of what future RNS's will contain, so why have you attempted to mislead us?

You also said the following in another post:-

Mock all you like about RNS's, or even imply I might have been guessing, but these words are from an E-Mail to me 4 weeks ago ....

"I hope that in the next few weeks we will be able to enlighten the market on just how good Biotec is, and how many gems exist in it."

You are implying that you have inside knowledge about future RNSs. Ive tackled you on some of your wild claims in the past as have others, and you were even banned from FYB for making a similar claim. You seem to be getting carried away again.

I think you should retract the statements made in these two posts and apologise - they were at the very least misleading.

I feel this is a serious matter. Your posts could affect some impressionable investors who may believe from what you say that you have access to privileged information from inside Stanelso.



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My earlier unanswered post:-

Paul, you haven't answered my question from above - here it is again:-

Paul wrote:-

'If you think the last few RNS's were impressive, wait until you see the next few :)'

Paul,

do you have some specific knowledge of what will be in 'the next few' (if you do I'm not expecting you to divulge the information here)?

You have to allow for a "woman's" "institution".

Life is not as serious as SEO.

Relax a little.

If some of you are as anxious as you appear to write, you would be wiser not to bet on the smaller markets.

Well said Fred

Baza

PM - because BH1910 listed them for someone who wanted to know what institutions hold the shares. I believe it right to point out that shares controlled by or on behalf of directors are not independent investing institutions.

oblo

He only responds to fluffy posts patting him on the back for being such a good googler so he won't respond to you, I have it on good authority this man works in a vegetable packing factory in admin; no big deal but just goes to show the web of deceit and lies his fantasy world revolves around. Buyer beware when taking any info from this chap as if it's not publicly known stuff it's made up.

oblomov Hi,

You say "I assume" .... assume what you like, whinge about me all you like, and post what you like, I won't be baited by you, just like on FYB when you used to post the same baiting questions and accusations

Everyone here knows how much I have got right or wrong so far on Stanelco, and they can make their own decisions, to believe what I say or not.

I am hardly likely to answer your baiting question, which has only two possible answers, either of which would bring another barrage of finger pointing from you :-

1) I have inside info
2) I don't have inside info


I fully expect you to do just like you did with all your other baiting questions on FYB, and make this into another endless saga, be my guest, the power of squelch is upon you yet again ....

Cheers,
PM

Bones Hi,

Thanks :)

Cheers,
PM

pm1, it's a fair enough question oblomov asked. i was wondering the same thing myself.

How can Paul answer that?!!

Bugz Hi,

How indeed ????

Thats typical of the questions oblomov asked on FYB, whichever answer I give, I either dig myself a big hole, or open myself up to more of those type of questions and insinuations from oblomov.

Cheers,
PM

Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or no, please....

Paul made a statement like this: "If you think X is good then wait until you see the next X", this seems to imply he knows what the next X is, but it can also mean that he hopes the next X will be better than the previous. Clearly there is no way he can know what the next X is; so the second interpretation of his language is the correct one.

To be fair though, if he does have inside info, how can anyone expect him to say so!!

Personally I find Pauls 'knowledge' follows pretty closely with my 'understanding' of the Stanelco situation, we only seriously differ over the projected share price in 5 years!!

I also agree with him on the RNS issue. Its only going to get better, not worse.

age of reason

one really weird site. Major shareholder of SEO

I wasn't 'baiting' you Paul, and never have. If you stick your head above the parapet.......

I asked a pertinent question because you made an important statement which I felt should be questioned, which is all I ever did on FYB on I believe the 2 times we 'disagreed'. It is also what the administrators themselves did on FYB and they received the same response as I have received and so banned you for making false and misleading statements.

On every occasion I have seen you asked to justify a suspect statement you have evaded the answer by attacking the questioner.

Why cant you just admit you have no way of knowing what will be in future RNS's and stop misleading people rather than try to make me out to be the 'bad guy'? ?

Niels,

you are not quite correct because of the other of Paul's posts in which he says:-

Mock all you like about RNS's, or even imply I might have been guessing, but these words are from an E-Mail to me 4 weeks ago ....

"I hope that in the next few weeks we will be able to enlighten the market on just how good Biotec is, and how many gems exist in it."

This, when coupled with the other post, implies he is receiving direct information from Stanelco in relation to future RNS's.

'Even imply I might have been guessing' suggests he wasn't guessing but had been told in advance what would be contained in an RNS. Preposterous, thats why it needs to be challenged.

oblomov, that shows Paul revealing why he is hoping the next RNS will be good (not that he knows it will be good). Also he is not "implying" that he got the information, he tells you what it was and quotes it. Give it a rest, we both know he is an insane ramper, but he saves us all a lot of Googling time. Read the info you can verify by following the links, then make up your own mind.

Oblomov Hi,

I also said "I fully expect you to do just like you did with all your other baiting questions on FYB, and make this into another endless saga, be my guest, the power of squelch is upon you yet again ...."

Thanks for proving me right again.

Feel free to keep guessing what I do and do not know ....

Wait and see on the next few RNS's, I have not claimed what will be in them, or any of the previous one's, you can decide for yourself when they appear, whether or not they are 'bigger' than the last few .... ie whether my statements were right or wrong, until then I am sticking to discussing Stanelco.

Cheers,
PM

Hi All,

Anyone else fancy discussing Stanelco rather than me ?

Cheers,
PM

Niels Hi,

I googled this just for you :)

Shame about NOP by the way :(

Cheers,
PM

Petrol, petrol everywhere ...

http://www.theage.com.au/news/general/petrol-petrol-everywhere-/2005/10/01/1127804697071.html

In a bid to offset a global oil crisis, industries are rushing to develop cheaper and more environmentally friendly substitutes. By Rachel Wells.

WE ALL know that recent rises in world oil prices are hurting the hip pocket at the petrol pump. But take a look at this picture all of these household items contain petroleum-based products, which means it is only a matter of time before we are also forking out more for them as well. Nappies, fridges, shoes, toys, computers, cars and even everyday food items are set to become more expensive as the cost of oil-based raw materials increases, and transport and distribution soar.

According to Britain's Oil Depletion Analysis Centre, oil not only fuels 95 per cent of land, sea and air transport, and 40 per cent of the world's commercial energy, it is heavily relied upon for food production to run farm machinery and make fertilisers and pesticides. It also supplies feedstock for thousands of manufactured products, including plastics, clothing, medicines and building materials.

"We rely very heavily on oil-based materials for our everyday life. Everywhere you look, for example, there are plastics, and nearly all plastics come from oil," says Professor David Solomon, of the department of chemical and biomolecular engineering at the University of Melbourne.

"Most polymers, or plastics, we use are derived from oil including things like kids' toys, shoes, some clothing, the paint we use on our houses, the bumper bars on our cars, floor coverings like vinyl and some carpets, most of the plastic containers we use for food and drinks, the garden hose, the benchtop, the computer, all the detergents we use, food packaging, the PVC pipes in our plumbing, bike helmets, I could go on and on," he says. "Every seat at the MCG, for example, would be moulded from petrol-based plastic."

Until now, most companies have managed to absorb the increasing costs of petroleum-based raw materials, as well as the added energy and distribution costs, but industries are now saying these will have to be passed on to consumers.

Ross Hearne, general manager, corporate services, for Kimberly-Clark Australia makers of nappies, sanitary products, tissues, toilet paper and other household items says price hikes are inevitable.

"Because we use polypropylene polymers, which are oil-based, we've been hit by higher raw material prices, coupled with increased transportation and delivery costs, driven by the increased fuel prices," he says. "It's a competitive market and we've largely absorbed those costs to date but if oil prices keep rising it will have to be passed on to consumers eventually."

Julie Kearns, marketing director for toy-maker Mattel, says it is just a matter of time before the company lifts the price of toys , many of which are made from petroleum-based plastics. "Like most companies, we are very aware of the impact higher oil prices might have and, unfortunately, they do invariably get passed on to consumers in the form of price rises," says Kearns. "We will be assessing that possibility going into next year."

Most of Mattel's products are manufactured in China and Indonesia, as well as Mexico, and are distributed world-wide, meaning the company has also been hit by added distribution costs.

Mark Fink, vice-president of the Australasian Bioplastics Association, says manufacturers are seriously considering bioplastics as an alternative, as the price of oil-based plastics rises, and the industry comes to realise that the world's oil supply will eventually run out.

"A couple of years ago all the interest was about waste disposal, about products being biodegradable and compostable, now everyone is interested in using renewable resources," says Fink.

Bioplastics have similar properties to conventional petrochemical plastics, but they use renewable resources and are biodegradable. They are made using cellulose derivatives found in wood, cotton, starch and vegetable oils.

Stuart Bateman, from the CSIRO's polymer composites and nanomaterials team, says interest in bioplastics will continue to grow as oil prices rise and alternatives become more affordable. "As the price of crude oil becomes more and more expensive, the attractiveness of these materials becomes more obvious," he says.

Bateman and Fink say that packaging has been the main application for bioplastics in Australia. "Packaging has been the first focus for most companies, given that 40 per cent of the plastic used in Australia is used in packaging," says Fink. "Most packaging is single-use or has a short shelf life and therefore most environmental issues are around packaging rather than durable products like computer casing or bumper bars."

Research and development into bioplastic alternatives for more durable products, such as electronics and car parts, is growing. "More and more bio-derived materials are being used in durables, particularly overseas," says Fink. In Japan, Sony has used a bioplastic a corn-based polyactide, a plastic derived from lactic acid in some of its CD players, as well as its wrapping and packaging.

Biodegradable materials using sugar cane, corn and sweet potatoes are also being developed to replace conventional plastics in cars. Toyota has been working on bioplastics since 2001. Its ES3 concept car of 2002 had interior panels and door pillar trims made from a bioplastic derived from sweet potato starch. Mats in its Raum model, sold in Japan, are made from a bioplastic material called Eco-Plastic. Toyota says the cost of the process is only marginally higher than for conventional petroleum-based plastics.

Locally, Queensland University of Technology has teamed up with the Sugar Research Institute in Mackay to develop sugar cane strains that will allow large-scale production of bioplastics suitable for car parts, such as dashboards, and in paints and varnishes. The CSIRO is also involved in research and development for bioplastics for durable items such as car parts.

And then there's this little 'gem' ....


Fujitsu Computer Cases World's First to Use Plant-Based Plastic


Fujitsu Limited, Fujitsu Laboratories, Ltd. and Toray Industries, Inc. announced on January 13, 2005 that they have jointly developed the world's first large personal computer cases made of environmentally friendly bioplastics. The plastic is used in Fujitsu's spring 2005 model FMV-BIBLO NB80K notebook computers.

The material contains polylactic acid and is a bioplastic made from lactic acid derived from fermented starches and sugars from corn and potatoes. To use this plant-based material in computer cases and find further applications, the three companies have been working together to improve its heat and flame resistance. They faced difficulties, however, in using it in large cases and for mass production, due to the problems with molding the desired shapes, as it would turn from a hard glassy state to rubbery state at unacceptably low temperatures.

Since about 50 percent of the newly-developed plastic consists of natural materials, it can reduce the consumption of petroleum resources. When used in the case of notebook computers, it can reduce carbon dioxide emissions by about 15 percent over the entire product life-cycle, compared to conventional petroleum-based resins.



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http://www.fujitsu.com/global/news/pr/archives/month/2005/20050113-01.html

Fujitsu and Toray Develop World's First Environmentally-Friendly Large-Size Plastic Housing for Notebook PCs
Facilitates reduction of both environmental burden and petroleum consumption


Tokyo, January 13, 2005 Fujitsu Limited, Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd., and Toray Industries, Inc. today announced their joint development of the world's first large-size notebook PC plastic housing made of plant-based plastic with low environmental burden. The new environmentally-friendly plastic is used in Fujitsu's 2005 spring model FMV-BIBLO NB80K notebook PC.

The three companies plan to expand on various applications for this plastic, thereby further contributing to a reduction in the environmental burden as well as lower consumption of petroleum resources.

In recent years, environmental issues such as ozone depletion, air pollution, environmental pollution, and rapid increase of industrial waste and toxic waste, have emerged worldwide. To address these problems, there is a need for the development of a recycling-based society. Currently, various environmental laws and regulations are being legislated on a global scale, to reduce burden on the environment. The IT industry is no exception to these trends, and in Japan, environmental awareness is on the rise with a number of environmentally-related laws that been passed: the Law on Promoting Green Purchasing(1), the Law for the Promotion of Effective Utilization of Resources (2), and the Pollutant Release and Transfer Register (PRTR) Law (3).

Use of fossil fuels, such as petroleum and coal, increases CO2 in the atmosphere and causes rapid spread of the greenhouse effect, resulting in an urgent need to reduce CO2 emissions.

Given these circumstances, there is increasing interest in applications of plastics created from plant materials, as an alternative to petroleum-based plastics which are limited in resource.

In June 2002, Fujitsu and Fujitsu Laboratories announced the development of the world's first technology for plant-based plastics that could be used for small-size housing components in notebook PCs, using polylactic acid(4) derived from corn and other plants. This technology was used in one of Fujitsu's FMV-BIBLO notebook PC models.

Toray positions polylactic acid as an environmentally-friendly, advanced material and has been developing markets for fibers, textiles, plastics and films under the brand name Ecodear, while conducting ongoing research in ways to obtain better performance from polylactic acid.

In order to broaden the applications for plant-based plastics, the three companies have been improving the materials' heat resistance and flame retardance properties. The new material formerly was not suited for volume production and use in large-size housing, due to its use of polylactic acid which has low glass transition temperature(5), making it difficult to mold.

The companies have now developed a new type of plastic that uses polymer alloy technology(6) blending polylactic acid and a non-crystalline plastic with a high glass transition temperature as well as flame-retardant technology(7). These advances have resulted in a material with the heat resistance and flame retardance mandatory for a large-size housing for IT devices, which features easy moldability, making it suitable for mass production.

On the environmental front, the new plastic consists of roughly 50% natural products (including plant- based materials), reducing the use of petroleum resources. When used to manufacture a notebook PC, CO2 emissions over the product's entire lifecycle are reduced by roughly 15%, thereby further reducing the impact on the environment.

Fujitsu, Fujitsu Laboratories, and Toray plan to expand the range of uses for this new material as a way to further reduce overall environmental burden and consumption of petroleum resorces in the IT industry.