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Coffee Heaven - A heavenly share for penny punters ? (COH)     

overgrowth - 06 Oct 2003 22:47

underground01_2.jpgA busy day in the Warsaw Underground ! Not just another coffee shop chain - this one is a brand leader and is only trading in Eastern/Central Europe (i.e. the countries recently admitted to the EU destined for substantial business growth). The company is creating new outlets at a fair old pace and take a look at their website - these are quality stores in high-profile locations like major airports, railway stations etc. Website: http://www.coffeeheaven.eu.com

APRIL 2006 TRADING UPDATE!!! Total Gross Revenues for 12 months to 31st March up 66% to £6.3M (2005: £3.8M) Lots more info. on new markets and stores click here to read the full details. Stores: 43 (up from 32) stores currently trading (Poland: 30 (up from 23), Czech Republic: 6 (Up from 2), Latvia: 7 with a further 5 units under construction including Bulgaria and sites secured in Romania (subject contract). Bulgaria & Romania are seeking to join the EU from January 2007. Sites located in key high street, shopping malls or Airport locations. Company growth target: increase number of units by at least 20 units to some 63 units by 31 March 2007. Aim being to achieve this level of growth within present Cash resources.Cash balances at 31 March 2006 were approximately £2.9M (2005: £0.7M). Debt was nil (2005: £ 2.5M): Nil Debt! Positive EBITDA: For the year ending 31 March 2006, Group EBITDA expected to be firmly positive after charging UK and new market development costs but before exceptional costs relating to the cancellation of bonds (previous Debt). Forecasts: Based on present trading conditions and current exchange rates we anticipate indicative sales of £9.3M for the year to 31 March 2007. This includes indicative sales of £0.4M from Bulgaria, which will be reported but not consolidated. From Richard Worthington (Chairman and Chief Executive): ‘The new financial year has started well. There is no doubt that the significant economic improvement in our markets is feeding through to consumer confidence and spending. The strength of the coffeeheaven brand ensures we are ideally positioned to benefit from our customers' increasing prosperity.’

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David10B - 05 Jun 2007 16:50 - 1101 of 2037

AdieH I see its down again not even your ramping can keep it afloat.

Ultimate Cynic - 05 Jun 2007 16:53 - 1102 of 2037

I SEE THAT MLR HAVE MADE A LOSS!!!!!!!!!
David10B you Knobhead.

proteus - 05 Jun 2007 17:35 - 1103 of 2037

OK 10B,
If you're not lost what are you using to estimate intrinsic value or bottom line.You must have some idea or you couldn't say it's negative could you ? Or are you just making it up ?

proteus - 05 Jun 2007 17:37 - 1104 of 2037

foale,

If you're still there I'm happy to join in a debate with you,what would you like to discuss ?

David10B - 05 Jun 2007 17:58 - 1105 of 2037

Your are naughty children go to the back of the class and face the wall.

MLR MADE A LOSS ALTHOUGH A REDUCED LOSS PRIOR TO ITS REVERSE TAKE OVER OF ACCORUS, READ THE ACCOUTS PLEASE.

Accorus is profit making.

The NEW MLR WILL SHOW A PROFIT, READ THE COMBINED ACCOUNTS, AND FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR ITS ALL IN THE BLACK AND UP AND ON WITH INCREASED PROFITS.

NOW FOR PROTEUS, NETT ASSET VALUE or NAV. I tried to base this on a fire sale figure, and of ccourse these asset have to be tangible. NCA or nett capital assets are those monies in the year end account after every has been paid off, no fancy accounting just hard cash which the company has generated.

I TRUST THAT YOU CAN FOLLOW THIS

David10B - 05 Jun 2007 18:17 - 1106 of 2037

This tickled me too from iii with full acknowledgement thereto

ADVFN Post - Gonner Pedro Jack
Gonner, the following is from a poster on the ADVFN board...Did make me laugh and then I hit the filter on him/her...

"I think that Gonner 2003 is Pedro is Waxman is Jim etc etc. They all seem to be inclined to comment on every little snippet of info and get rather frustrated when nobody is listening."

Ultimate Cynic - 05 Jun 2007 18:33 - 1107 of 2037

David10B = 10JimB = waxman etc. etc. = TRUE!!
UC.

David10B - 05 Jun 2007 18:34 - 1108 of 2037

Hardly old boy, hardly!

bmw325 - 05 Jun 2007 19:04 - 1109 of 2037

Don't forget jim_bentley Davis aka jim_reliantrobin Davis...LOLOLOLOLOL.

proteus - 05 Jun 2007 19:39 - 1110 of 2037

Right now we're getting to where your analysis is coming from.Valuing a company on its tangible assets as if in a fire sale.
If you take the tangible assets of COH they're 6.2p / share,for MLR they're 1.1p for VOD 22p.So by this analysis COH would drop 83%,MLR 92% and VOD 86%. MLR pre aquisition figures as that's when you bought in. So a silly way of doing a valuation.
Now if a company was losing cash at an operating level there would be problems don't you agree. In the last published results VOD made 17.8p cash / share,COH 0.66p and MLR lost cash at 0.24p / share.
So by your bottom line analysis VOD is 8 fold overpriced COH 7 fold and MLR 12 fold.If you use your criteria MLR are not even worth the fire sale price at the time you bought in.
In reality VOD,COH and MLR all have values in excess of their assets,just showing that your analytical method is worthless.

AdieH - 05 Jun 2007 20:06 - 1111 of 2037

Oh dear seems like someone has found you out David... give up on the sharedealing dude you have been proven to know f all about financial analysis, one presumes you weren't a Maths teacher... Keep up the DIY you probably will make more money on property development... LOL keep us smiling Dude have a lovely evening...

bmw325 - 05 Jun 2007 20:55 - 1112 of 2037

As a matter of interest has anyone ever met an intelligent deramper...they always all come across as being very thick.

AdieH - 05 Jun 2007 22:37 - 1113 of 2037

Well I am supposed to have met David10b,Waxman or TittyMarsh whatever name he is using, all I can say is that I have been to two COH AGM's and there was this crusty old fart at the first who kept on about the rate of growth and seemed abit pis.ed off with RW, the next year he praised RW and the board for their sterling work... This would fit with what we have experienced in Davids rambling deramping posts...

Ultimate Cynic - 06 Jun 2007 12:02 - 1114 of 2037

David10B sell MLR QUICK!!!!!!
It's going to tank using you own valuation criteria!!
UC.

David10B - 06 Jun 2007 16:12 - 1115 of 2037

GOOD AFTERNOON GENTLEMEN.

YOU ALL SEEM TO BE LIVING IN THE PAST MLR IS NOT THE COMPANY IT WAS etc etc etc

IT HAS GREAT PRODUCTS A GOOD MARKET AND IS COMING OUT OF A PERIOD OF BAD MANAGEMENT.

IT FITS THE BUFFETT CRITRION FOR A GOOD RECOVERY STOCK---AND THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.---NO NEED FOR MORE TO BE SAID.

When I came to the BB, as stated serveral times it was in direct response to AdieH's ramping.

Using my methods it was easy to see COH was about to fall, I said so, it did.

Thats good enough for me.

I dont mind your insults as they are only a reflection of your frustration and anger so if it helps you please carry on, I do not mind in the least.


What is important to me is that I may have prevented some buyers from getting burnt , by staying away.

Now that COH is in free fall the 20s are beckoning it.

Kindly please also bear in mind that AdieH was ramping COH as it was falling. Therefore kindly take a look at his posts on iii as Gonner---says it all

cynic - 06 Jun 2007 16:20 - 1116 of 2037

haven't really been following all the recent shenanigans on this thread, but if 10B has been saying don't buy, then i thoroughly agree as i have posted several times, for the chart is pretty ugly

bmw325 - 06 Jun 2007 16:27 - 1117 of 2037

COH is not alone today...even that dog MLR is down again.

bmw325 - 06 Jun 2007 16:31 - 1118 of 2037

LOL.

AdieH - 06 Jun 2007 16:58 - 1119 of 2037

FTSE down over 100 points today looks like end of the Bull run and the bears are at work...

David10B - 06 Jun 2007 17:03 - 1120 of 2037

I have clearly spelt it out why I think COH is as you say a dog.

I formally invite you to clearly present your barking mad case for MLR

being of similar cannine qualities, that is if you are up to the task.
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