Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Indeed, hilary. The first condescending language was used by Fred in post 35 when he sneered at Gausie and ptholden. That merely repeats the attitude shown on other threads so it comes as no surprise.
You cannot debate rationally with the irrational. Futility incarnate.

Fred, are you a sadist?



Dil, dont you even think about responding ;-)))

Even if two way abuse Fred didn't think you were in favour of an eye for an eye.

My feeling Ruth, the above should be on your bedroom wall, as advice to yourself!

Edited

Fred - read your own post:

A UN Security Council resolution has called for an immediate ceasefire, access for aid workers and a lasting solution to the conflict, but the Israeli government has rejected it.

Not surprising they rejected it - it's a ridiculously worded resolution - nobody can deliver it.

Meanwhile the CARNAGE goes on?

Fred is that the best u can do,
bit limp if u ask me, re the pic i mean

See Fred, yove pointed the finger on more than one occasion at me for not being highly intelligent(even though youve still not yet told me what ive missed out on in my life through not being highly intelligent)
But yet by my own admission you do come across as educated /inteligent, so theres no excuse for the crap your posting here re gaza,your living in the dark ages
im sure you could put your intelligence to better use than ranting on here with your double standards crap.

Isaacs,;-) an eye for an eye is ok, as long as it suits his agenda,

I think Fred I don't really have to explain why I believe you to be hypocritical, seems you might be getting the message from others?? Although somehow I doubt it. BTW, I said I don't read the Sun but I do look at the pictures. I've no doubt found my intellectual level in your less than humble opinion :)

Imcidentally, I doubt there is a single poster on this BB who supports the loss of life (either Israeli or Palestinian) during this latest 'conflict' but most seem to have a grip on the rights and wrongs of the actions by Hamas for a considerable period of time. There shouldn't be a terrorist organisation in the world that does not recognise the likely Israeli respone to terrorism. Isreal will take whatever action they believe necessary that threatens their state (people) without worrying too much about international opinion, they have demonstrated this resolve repeatedly for many years. Hamas fire their rockets from many densely populated areas (clearly with the support of the Palestinian population as they are a democratically elected govt) in the hope that Isreal will not retaliate. It is somewhat hypocritical (you should be able to empathise with this condition) that the Palestinians show outrage at civilian casualties. The immediate solution to this problem is for Hamas to cease their acts of aggression and subsequnetly to renounce their aim to destroy the State of Israel.

PTholden, Suggest you check you understanding of hypocritical and reread some of the postings by others with a more open mind. I think there is some support for my postings.

Your statement;

"Isreal will take whatever action they believe necessary that threatens their state (people) without worrying too much about international opinion, they have demonstrated this resolve repeatedly for many years."

This positioning has not resolved their problems.

Worked with Egypt and Jordan.

Ok, hands up in the Trader's Room who support Fred's views?

Hands up anyone who actually understands them?

I think Fred you would find that the majority population of Isreal would happliy live with the Palestinians on their doorstep if one they renounced their intent to destroy their state and two, stopped firing rockets indiscriminately into civilian areas. This of course doesn't even address the issue of suicide bombers, again aimed at the civilian population

Yes, peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan which have lasted for years and gone on to co-operation, trade and much more.

Obviously I am diametrically opposed to Fred's views. I understand the mentality, seen it all before, time and time again........

Spot on, ptholden. Israel has always been willing and proved that they will exchange land for peace and have long accepted that the only solution is a two country one - just as the UN originally decided in 1947 when they split the land into an Israeli state and an Arab one.

Quite honestly I don't see why the Jews shouldn't have a land of their own, just as the Arabs have many states already. Twenty-two in fact. Not to mention numerous other Islamic states which they can run as they wish. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Muslims who are Israeli Arabs and live in Israel proper. Some may well wish the land was Muslim, but they are not so unhappy as to leave for a Muslim land.

Nobody has a monopoly on right or wrong and no nation is made up of angels, they are made of people. We all feel for those children who have suffered and died in the hell of urban war and a little part of all of us wants to scream out "this must stop - there must be a better way".
Of course there is. It needs Hamas, who even slaughtered their own Fatah brothers in their take over of Gaza, to stop demanding the destruction of Israel with their Iranian backers wanting to "wipe Israel off the map"; to stop rocketing Israeli civilians; to stop brainwashing those poor children with anti-Jewish rhetoric - just try watching Hamas TV.
Security can come with Israel making peace with Gaza just as it did with Egypt and Jordan and will do one day with a Palestinian state on the West Bank and even with Syria.

It's up to Hamas to give up their attacks targeted on Israeli civilians and stop using their own people as pawns and human shields. Israel has said repeatedly, and I believe them, that they want to live in peace in a two state solution.

Mindless parroting of anti-Israel slogans and twisted hate mongering is part of the problem.

Fred

Two threads on this, you have opened a can of worms. It must be keeping you busy. Hope MAM's servers can cope.

I hope you were not claiming I had made a personal attack on you with my post. I cannot see it if I did.

You responded to me by changing my handle even though we have never conversed before. I will take it to be your humour but I believe I simply got your back up. I thought you might be Tabasco. Hes good at the name changing thing.

The west did not accept the, as you call it, democratic election of Hamas because Hamas are considered a terrorist organisation and the election was won in a similar manner to the recent Mugabe one - murder and intimidation of the opposition. Not really democratic is it!

I agree with you that US corruption is far bigger than anything seen in the Middle East but everything is relative isnt it. At least the US has some sort of civilisation. It also helps that the US looks forwards not backwards.

For your information the Palestinians excel at propaganda. They have been perfecting it for decades. As soon as you mentioned the zionist lobby I changed my mind you are not the name changing Tabasco, you are Maestro's dad.

You keep banging on about your view currently being in line with that of the UN. You may have come across this situation in you lifetime or you may not If you cant join the club you dont get a say in how its run Isnt it funny that Israel never becomes a member of the Security Council. Why? Because muslim countries always block it. Even Libya has been in twice. Do you think The UN would have the same view if Israel was a current member?

Ruth mentioned the key words in post 107 she mentioned the dark ages. That part of the world (with the exception of Israel) is still in the dark ages. They are all for destruction and do not create anything but problems.

Many Palestinians became very wealthy by working for Israelis until the recent troubles flared up. The entire region could have prospered. It was such a (intentionally) missed opportunity.

In my opinion, and not because I want to escalate the argument further, this is a battle between SOME Muslims and the West. Israel is simply the front line. If Israel falls all the deities of the world will not be able to help us.

Who is firing rockets during the 3hour aid windows?

Sorry but I am sick of hearing about the suffering of the Palestinians & co. (even though I feel for the innocents caught up in it (on all sides)) This is NOT the fault of the developed world, West, whatever you want to call it. It is a crazy ideology.

I am not an apologist for anyone, this is just how I see it. DYOR etc

Have a good weekend all.

--->ALL

What an interesting thread.

What interesting comments.

Why were Hamas firing rockets at Israel?

Regards,

THE COUNT!

--->ALL

"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

Regards,

THE COUNT!

GAUSIE -> MR COUNT SIR!!

You been at the retsina?

Nah he's just a slow reader , took him til then to finish reading the MDX thread in the zoo :-)

--->GAUSIE

No, I don't drink that crap.

But I do think that little quote in post 115 says rather a lot about the why's and wherefores of a lot of this. I am just hungry to learn about it all from the very best sources.


--->DIL

What has this got to do with MDX or have you got a leek stuck in an inappropriate orifice at the moment driving you into a bout of momentary madness?

I noticed you made a comment on me about MDX a while back....what has that got to do with me?

Regards,

THE COUNT!

Nothing ... except you told me a few years ago to tuck a few away and I could sue you if it didn't come off , threads on here somewhere but I won't be bothering.

You wanna chill and get your sense of humour back COUNT.

Regards

--->DIL

I thought a leek in the orifice was a display of my sense of humour, in such a way that you might geddit.

Oh, and I'm pretty chilled...in fact, despite the central heating being on, I am still feeling pretty cool.

Regards,

THE COUNT!