Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

And as for the majority of voters it's also commonly excepted that the Majority will vote leave at the Informed Referendum.----- Delighted you agree Stan

Fred you seem to think/believe that the only people who will change their mind are leave voters, yet many Remain voters would also change their mind

Possibly.

I don't know.

But, the result would include a larger number of younger voters who will feel the responsibility of their vote.

I think they are entitled to a say in their future.

At the moment a stable Europe would be an advantage to the general unrest in the World.

"And as for the majority of voters it's also commonly excepted that the Majority will vote leave at the Informed Referendum.----- Delighted you agree Stan"

So you fell hook line and sinker for that one.. I thought you would now have another look and I'm prepared to allow you to erase your post in 12161 -):

George, You seem unable to answer two of my other points, I will give you another chance.

"I always said there would be short term problems to sort out when we Leave, but once they are behind us the UK will flourish." - Exactly what are they as I can't recall any problems short or otherwise spoken about in the Pre-Referendum campaign for the leave lot?

"The greater problem has been before we Leave due to the continual efforts to cheat the majority of voters by MP's and other self seeking elitist factions." - Oh come on George every man and his dog know that almost daily employers are not happy with the Facile stuff that has been coming out before and since the Ref. And as for the majority of voters it's also commonly excepted that the Majority will vote stay at the Informed Referendum.

When is the informal referendum Stan?

M, I have already replied to that one in post 12048...your memory going or what?

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Italy next week if they can still afford to stage it.

When is the informal referendum then Stan?

The answer is in post 12048. but there again I have already told you that...you memory going or what?

Italy isn't the only EU country with over 2 trillion euros of government debt. Strangely enough, the UK, France, and Germany all have a similar amount.

The difference with Italy is that their government debt expressed as a percentage of GDP is high. So what though? It's not as though they haven't been there before, and it's certainly not an issue for the time being. EZ government bond yields aren't that much off all time lows, and they don't have too much paper maturing short term. There's no reason to presume they won't be able to finance that.

Their problems are more political than financial, because the 5* coalition is quite popular domestically, and the government are keen to continue with rhetoric that appeases their people. There is also a risk that the Salvini migrant kidnap issue could escalate as 5* want him on trial - probably not the best way to start a marriage!

Stan I see you have used your right to edit your mistake in post 12160, btw I rarely edit posts unless for a spelling mistake, I tend to read what I write whereas you most certainly do not.

Old but pertinent!

Ha ha George, What’s you’re surname BigHead?

George Bighead of Cornwall...By the way how are you lot down there managing your Cameron given Independence as I haven’t noticed the County except them being the most deprived region in the Country.?

Long may it continue so Stan, we rely on Emmett's coming down to see how difficult it is for us poor yokels, it's the only way we can survive.

Don't see why the rest of the country should subsidise Cornwall.

8-)

I couldn’t agree more Fred, they’ve got to have more than good light to attract a few artists down there.

Cornwall is literally cut off by rail when the rail line gets washed away in bad weather at Dawlish...if there’s one thing I can’t stand it is us tax payers subsidising loss making Countries in this Country 😂😂😂

1270. He's done it again George. Prize plum. Stan, your mother should be ashamed of herself for allowing you on this site unsupervised.
As for you Fred, you need to watch the company you keep. You know the saying.
As for scraping the barrel, remember this?

It.

I think the voters will remember the present tory period as one of the worst and unnecessary periods of austerity and misgovernment in the last 60years and due to the personal greed of those more advantaged individuals at the expense of the most disadvantaged.

They will remember as this tory period attempting to destroy the NHS, Welfare and Social Service by self-interest, but destructive neo-conservatism.

The loss of police forces, Law and Order and personal security due to tory cutbacks.
The decline in educational standards and the destruction of the expectations of the younger more motivated younger voters.

And, if Brexit goes through, they will realise that Brexit was a sell-out of the UK by a populist lying Neo-cons elite leading to alienation of "little england" from Europe. The product of a tory elite led initially by Cameron and Osborne and seized on by T May and cohorts in an attempt to hold herself in power the con artist party together while losing any remaining respect in the political World.

(Much of the above may be put down to media manipulation.)
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My guess is, that at the next election, there will be a recovery in the Lib/Dem vote, increase in the SNP's vote, increases in Labour and smaller party votes, which will probably lead to a coalition government, with the hope of clearing up some of the mess which was produced by vanity of its present leadership.

The response to Brexit?


Nissan 'U-turn' expected on new X-Trail SUV in Sunderland

The Sunderland plant opened in 1986
Nissan is expected to announce that it is cancelling a planned investment at its plant in Sunderland.

In 2016 the car maker said it would build the X-Trail SUV in Sunderland after receiving "assurances" from the government over Brexit.

The company is expected to say investment will be now be pulled, rather than existing work being halted.

Labour MP for Houghton and Sunderland South, Bridget Phillipson, spoke of her concern at the prospect.

Image Copyright @bphillipsonMP@BPHILLIPSONMP
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"If confirmed, this would represent deeply troubling news for the north east economy," she tweeted.

"So many jobs and livelihoods depend on Nissan's success."

BBC business reporter Rob Young said: "The reasons for the investment cancellation are not known, but the industry as a whole has been warning Brexit uncertainty might hit investment."

The Japanese company refused to shed light on the situation. A spokesman said: "Nissan does not comment on rumour or speculation."

When the investment was initially announced, the company said hundreds of jobs would be created at the plant.

Work on the Qashqai - which makes up the majority of Nissan Sunderland's work - is not expected to be affected. The Qashqai is the best-selling crossover in Europe.

Good job the Remoaners told the truth, none of those scare stories have panned out.

Tax payer, what's that Stan, we're so far away from Westminster the tax system has not reached us yet.

The reality is it does reach Cornwall but only to the wealthy, and you voted Tory George so you and people like you are to blame for the appalling lack of funding to Councils up and down the Country.