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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

fahel - 04 Dec 2009 10:07 - 1321 of 6906

Moving season in palestine

A reality that the whole universe is incapable of changing, even though the overwhelming majority knows it is wrong, unfair and right out inhumane.But as it seems there is only one opinion that counts, Israels

3-minute video worth a thousand words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EISikrLcSw8&feature=player_embedded

Haystack - 04 Dec 2009 10:54 - 1322 of 6906

There was a very interesting program on Channel 4 last night - 'Unreported World". It was about the increasing influence of the ultra religious sects in Israel and how they are breeding in large numbers to increase their influence. They hold the balance of power in coalition governments and tend to choose the right wing to put and keep in power. They don't want any negotiations with Palestine and want to remove Palestinian control from the Temple Mount and constantly try and march on it protected by soldiers from an army in which they refuse to serve. It all bodes very ill for any peace process. The only hope would be the US financially forcing Israel to give back land and negociate by stopping arms sales and support.

Fred1new - 04 Dec 2009 12:06 - 1323 of 6906


http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/4od

I believe the above links into the programme being referred to.

It suggests a time warp in the thinking of some groups in Israel and others.


Gausie - 04 Dec 2009 19:17 - 1324 of 6906

lol Haystak - Ne-Goat-iations. You been watching too much Zohan.

Haystack - 04 Dec 2009 19:44 - 1325 of 6906

Fixed it. About ten spelling mistakes in it. I was typing it and there was someone at the door buzzing.

Gausie - 04 Dec 2009 23:58 - 1326 of 6906

Nope - you've not fixed it - it's still an illiterate and bigoted diatribe. Very unlike you. Has somebody hacked your account?

G

Haystack - 05 Dec 2009 01:27 - 1327 of 6906

LOL

Haystack - 05 Dec 2009 12:29 - 1328 of 6906

Gausie

Bigoted is all according to your point of view. I am pro Jewish, Pro Palestinian and very much anti-Israel. As a long time athiest, I see no basis for Israel existing.

Fred1new - 06 Dec 2009 11:01 - 1329 of 6906

Squelched the little man a long time ago.

But seemed to link the name with:

One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.


fahel - 10 Dec 2009 13:58 - 1330 of 6906


WHY AMERICA WENT INTO WW1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTaOzt8vYso&NR=1

Fred1new - 10 Dec 2009 19:25 - 1331 of 6906

Maybe.

But the real problem now is the abuse of one group of people by another.

At the moment the Jewish right wing has the leverage, but with the more realistic US administration the tolerance of them is being exhausted.

Eventually, the rights of the Palestinians will be realised.

Hopefully, without further bloodshed.

Unfortunately, this is unlikely.

Will this be another justifiable war?

fahel - 11 Dec 2009 11:31 - 1332 of 6906

Yes you are right, I hope they will continue with the peace process, as it seems war and bloodshed is the last issue but will be if nothing happened and continue in the same maner.

MightyMicro - 11 Dec 2009 14:46 - 1333 of 6906

fahel: There is so much dodgy history and laughable 'facts', particularly about the Rothschilds, that the entire movie belongs with the world-wide conspiracy mob.

You'll be telling us next that America went into WW2 because the Rothschilds paid the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor.

Haystack - 11 Dec 2009 15:10 - 1334 of 6906

There is a funny story about Pearl Harbour.

The Japanese trade minister came to britain in 1951 when Aneurin (Nye) Bevan was Minister of Labour. He leaked some details of a trade agreement to the press. The Japanese trade minister accused him of treachery at the press conference.

You have to imagine the next part in a heavy Welsh accent.

Bevan replied

"Treachery, treachery boy! What about Pearl 'arbour boy""

Haystack - 14 Dec 2009 17:44 - 1335 of 6906

Who is in favour of a first strike on Iran to stop them?

Confidential intelligence documents obtained by The Times show that Iran is working on testing a key final component of a nuclear bomb.

The notes, from Irans most sensitive military nuclear project, describe a four-year plan to test a neutron initiator, the component of a nuclear bomb that triggers an explosion. Foreign intelligence agencies date them to early 2007, four years after Iran was thought to have suspended its weapons programme.

An Asian intelligence source last week confirmed to The Times that his country also believed that weapons work was being carried out as recently as 2007 specifically, work on a neutron initiator.

The technical document describes the use of a neutron source, uranium deuteride, which independent experts confirm has no possible civilian or military use other than in a nuclear weapon. Uranium deuteride is the material used in Pakistans bomb, from where Iran obtained its blueprint.

Although Iran might claim that this work is for civil purposes, there is no civil application, said David Albright, a physicist and president of the Institute for Science and International Security in Washington, which has analysed hundreds of pages of documents related to the Iranian programme. This is a very strong indicator of weapons work.

The documents have been seen by intelligence agencies from several Western countries, including Britain. A senior source at the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) confirmed that they had been passed to the UNs nuclear watchdog.

A Foreign and Commonwealth Office spokeswoman said yesterday: We do not comment on intelligence, but our concerns about Irans nuclear programme are clear. Obviously this document, if authentic, raises serious questions about Irans intentions.

Responding to The Times findings, an Israeli government spokesperson said: Israel is increasingly concerned about the state of the Iranian nuclear programme and the real intentions that may lie behind it.

Fred1new - 14 Dec 2009 18:06 - 1336 of 6906

Hays,

That would really be an incendiary bomb to the Middle East.

It is a "daft" idea.

I think Britain and America have enough military and economic problems on their hands already.

I wonder where the WMDs from Iran would land.

Just a thought, are you related to Bush or Blair?

Haystack - 14 Dec 2009 18:26 - 1337 of 6906

Would you prefer if Iran dveloped a nuclear bomb.

The moment is fast approaching when Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli Prime Minister, may have to make the most difficult decision of his career whether to launch a military strike against Irans nuclear facilities and risk triggering a conflagration that could spread across the Middle East.

Israeli experts believe the point of no return may be only six months away when Irans nuclear programme will have if it has not already metastasised into a multitude of smaller, difficult-to-trace facilities in deserts and mountains, while its main reactor at Bushehr will have come online and bombing it would send a radioactive cloud over the Gulf nations.

In 2007, in what is often seen as a trial run for an attack on Iran, an Israeli squadron flew undetected through Turkish airspace and over Syrias unprotected border to destroy what was thought to be a nuclear facility under construction with Iranian and North Korean support.

In June 2008, the air force staged exercises over the Mediterranean, with dozens of fighters, bombers and refuelling tankers flying roughly the same distance as between Israel and Iran. Earlier this year, Israeli jets again carried out a long-range bombing mission, hitting trucks in Sudan that were believed to be bringing Iranian weapons to Hamas via Egypt.

Fred1new - 14 Dec 2009 19:03 - 1338 of 6906

WMD/

I would be happier if Israel didn't have Nuclear Weapons and see much of Netanyahu rhetoric as a diversion from his own problems.

I cannot see America (under the present administration) supporting the action and being sucked into present Israeli policies.

I can not see that Iran has any less rights to have its nuclear programme. I don't see Iranians as any less civilised than America, Britain or Israel.

(Blair, Rumsfelt. Cheney Bush. Bin Netanyahu. )


I don't like the present Iranian administration but see it as the result of past decades of ludicrous British and American policies.

What you appear to be suggesting is more ludicrous policies.

However I would prefer the area to be Nuclear free.

Perhaps,for a start to the latter position, Israel will give up their weapons.

After all what is said to be good for the goose is good for the gander.

Haystack - 14 Dec 2009 21:39 - 1339 of 6906

The main differecne is that Iran is virtually a dictatorship. You have to live with the fact that the area is not nuclear free.

Fred1new - 15 Dec 2009 11:21 - 1340 of 6906

Russia is a dictatorship. Some have accused Blair of being a Dictator. China is a party dictatorship.

The control of power in many countries said to be democracies are open to question.

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