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Mediwatch-A World Leader in the Urology Diagnostic Sector (MDW)     

banjomick - 10 May 2007 23:36

*****This thread is setup mainly to gain information
relating to Mediwatch in a quick and easy way and IS IN NO WAY A
RECOMMENDATION TO BUY!********



Mediwatch-A Synopsis:
Mediwatch was established in 1996 and has developed a range of specialist
medical equipment for the diagnosis of urological disorders.The group joined the
AIM in 2000 through a reverse into Prostcare plc,which at the time was valued at
8m.While the vast majority of sales were generated in the UK,there was a
substantial indirect export business involving a number of agents,supplying into
Europe,North America,Australasia and Asia,notably Japan.
Group revenues are set to increase rapidly following the acquisition of the former
Medtronic Urodynamis Division,which has introduced a fundamental presence in
North America.The deal was in 2006 with the sales division building from 2007.
With the inclusion of the Medtronic systems now owned by Mediwatch they now
can offer a 'One Stop Shop' for the diagnosis of various urology disorders with the
benefit of Mediwatch systems having the ability to electronically send data from the
various tests to a central data base!Oh and plus the added bonus of PSAwatch and
now PCA3plus!

More than 30 million PSA tests are performed annually in the USA alone!

CHARTS

Chart.aspx?Provider=Intra&Code=MDW&Size=Chart.aspx?Provider=EODIntra&Code=MDW&SiChart.aspx?Provider=EODIntra&Code=MDW&Si



FUTURE EVENTS AND LATEST
NEWS



Five
year global distribution agreement secured with Inverness Medical
Innovations


2009 AUA Annual
Meeting 25th - 30th April 2009


STUFF THAT MAYBE DID BUT NOW
DOESN'T FIT IN WITH THE TITLE...


Prelimin
ary Results for the year ended 31 October 2008-Issued 26 January 2009



failure of NHS
organisations to implement NICE cancer guidance costs 50 lives a week 28/11/08


Mediwatch
scoops Export Award-24 October 2008


In my view
the best information on PSA testing and the future that I have seen to date!



GENERAL/UROLOGY MEDICAL
WEBSITES


URO TODAY
UROLOGY TIMES
American
Urological Association

EUROPEAN
ASSOCIATION OF UROLOGY

NHS-CHOICES
NICE-INDEPENDENT ADVISORY
GROUP (UK)

PATIENT
UK

MEDICAL NEWS
TODAY (UK with global news)

Health and Age
Scottish Practice Nurses
Association

Community and District Nurses Association
MEDICAL DAILY
Prostate Cancer InfoLink
University of Florida
Shands Cancer Center



UROLOGY,CANCER AND PROSTATE
CANCER SPECIFIC CHARITY WEBSITES



THE PROSTATE
SCREENING TRUST

PROSTATE CANCER SUPPORT
SCOTLAND

PROSTATE
SCOTLAND

BRISTOL
UROLOGICAL INSTITUTE

Canadian Prostate Cancer
Network

THE PROSTATE CANCER CHARITY (UK)
PROSTATE CANCER SUPPORT
ASSOCIATION (UK)

CANCER RESEARCH UK
CANCERBACKUP/M
ACMILLAN (UK)

PROSTATE
CANCER RESEARCH FOUNDATION (UK)

ZERO (USA)



Just for the record and to even things up,this is Treblewide's view (near end
of 2008):


"in short 3p by chrimbo and a real chance if they do not get rid of management they
will go into receivership.....when they bough the MDT business I said at the time it
must have been a bag of shite as they only paid buttons for it.......looks like that was
fairly correct......i feel sorry for shareholders"

Treblewide has been filtered from my eyes for his abuse,lies and general behavior but
it's a free country (I think) so do as you see fit.


It started with:

Treblewide - 05 Jun 2007 15:49 - 33 of 1747
still short

Treblewide - 18 Jun 2007 00:24 - 69 of 1747
interesting stuff from that article...very few men die from prosate cancer and it is not an agressive disease....treatment can be worse than the disease.......kind of suggests their whole business model is based on sand to me.......but hey who wants a balanced view.

Treblewide - 18 Jun 2007 00:31 - 76 of 1754
exercise and sex may cause a raised PSA...so you guys may have stumbled on a test for fit shaggers :-)

I am gonna name Me-Di-Watch

Gonna-go-bust-soon-iwatch

Treblewide - 18 Jun 2007 10:59 - 85 of 1754
minder...i do not make light of prosate cancer....show me one post where I do...i make fun out of this company yes but not the disease so wind yer neck in pal.

show me any trace of a profit and i will maybe change my mind

Treblewide - 18 Jun 2007 15:54 - 97 of 1754
minder made a small loss yes which I have more than made up for shorting it........and i guess your average holding is 3p.....aye right.

Aalso I closed out my short at 8p for a loss of the spread if memory serves me correctly.

currently short from 13.25....i thank you and goodnight

Treblewide - 23 Jul 2007 12:36 - 154 of 1747
more of the same......thank god i still do not own shares in this lot...will they ever
make a penny profit....looks doubtful......cannot even manage a small supply chain.


ect ect ect

with the last few posts:

Treblewide - 30 Mar 2009 09:16 - 1704 of 1754
you are a lunatic mick.....words fail me.

and ps i only post under treblewide on any financial web site....i know you cannot say the same......you have been calling this as a buy and nothing but a buy for about 7 years...it says it all really about your stock picking ability

i notice the downtrend ins now establishing itself....re-visit of the lows again by the looks of things

Treblewide - 30 Mar 2009 22:41 - 1712 of 1754
mick no i dont know what each product does...i dont think that is important...the numbers tell everything and even though you must spend hours on web sites searching for stuff that is not even related to MDW you fail to grasp the basics...they consistently lost money and now seem to be making some...my call to 3p was correct and i think if they had not got their shit together they could have gone under

i was not interested in them as a long play while they were loosing money depsite whatever rubbish you posted regarding piss sticks or whatever you bang on about.

and yes it was poor trading..having an avergae of 12 and averaging down to 6-7p while they were at 3p....is terrible trading...that cannot even be debated...the very fact you know so much about the products means you have fallen in love with this company......which is very dangerous when investing....

the numbers are the important things...i was right on 3p, the company is posting slightly better figures but we are in a bear market which has not bottomed yet so the price will fall further

you are a 1 trick pony that posts irrelevant links...dont bother to respond i can be bothered getting into a debate with you.....away and cut and paste some more flags

toodlepip

**************************************************************

I have been chased from here and now ADVFN,has the boy got a problem?

treblewide - 3 Aug'09 - 14:46 - 22345 of 22412


post 22342 is classic.....so mick advfn is not a good source when the consensus is sell?

begs the question why you spend so much time polluting it with your bull tripe?

question....so MDW share price has gone up, it has gone down etc etc...during all of that time has mick ever been able to find any subjectivity in his posting ie has he ever critisised anything?

i really think he may be getting paid by MDW...the whole thing is very bizzare.

mick i notice you referred to your threads as "promotion of Mediwatch"

can you confirm if you are getting financially rewarded by the company for this?

treblewide - 3 Aug'09 - 23:55 - 22371 of 22412


664k overdrawn....takes a long time to pay back at 39k profit every 6 months.

drawn down overdraft has increased by 170k and they paid 33k to service that overdraft and made 39k profit...as i keep saying my local fish and chip shop make more money than this lot.

margins have been squeezed...psa watch now off the agenda in terms of updates....not 1 single reason to buy and yet you lot think this share price will go up??.....am mystified why it would increase? genuinely why is this comapny under valued?? i cannot see it and dont bang on about fairfax saying they are going to make x amount...they have never been near to getting it right

if i were a holder i would be selling now at 6p if i could and buying back in the 2-3p range which the chart is saying is now a certainty....i expecta full year loss

i told you all to sell at 14p and at 11p (it is all there in black and white) and that it was going to 3 pence..i got abuse mick called me an idiot and suggested it was going to 50p......still a sell and my short (which was posted in real time over the road) is nicely in profit.

toodle pip...will log back in when it gets to 3p....



treblewide - 4 Aug'09 - 00:19 - 22373 of 22412


664k overdrawn....takes a long time to pay back at 39k profit every 6 months.

drawn down overdraft has increased by 170k and they paid 33k to service that overdraft and made 39k profit...as i keep saying my local fish and chip shop make more money than this lot.

margins have been squeezed...psa watch now off the agenda in terms of updates....not 1 single reason to buy and yet you lot think this share price will go up??.....am mystified why it would increase? genuinely why is this comapny under valued?? i cannot see it and dont bang on about fairfax saying they are going to make x amount...they have never been near to getting it right

if i were a holder i would be selling now at 6p if i could and buying back in the 2-3p range which the chart is saying is now a certainty....i expecta full year loss

i told you all to sell at 14p and at 11p (it is all there in black and white) and that it was going to 3 pence..i got abuse mick called me an idiot and suggested it was going to 50p......still a sell and my short (which was posted in real time over the road) is nicely in profit.

toodle pip...will log back in when it gets to 3p....

treblewide - 4 Aug'09 - 10:49 - 22379 of 22412


still time to get out at 6p.....dont understand why you would not sell at 6p when they are obviously going to half in value...if you are a long term mdw bull you can buy twice as many shares at 3p and maybe possibly one day see a profit on your holding?



treblewide - 4 Aug'09 - 12:44 - 22381 of 22412


last chance to sell at 6p for your shares folks


treblewide - 4 Aug'09 - 14:48 - 22387 of 22412


so question...is psawatch is so great...why has there been no huge surge in revenue figures from UK and Europe on the back of it being sold?

the whole reason a lot of you hold this is psawatch...it has not made them any money in Europe which could be argued when taken as a whole is not much smaller than the USA.....this company is not going to change overnight with US approval...at bets it would be a selling opportunity for long term holders

i really think a lot of you have to ignore some of the nonsense ramping going on here...the company is draining cash and there margins are reducing (despite this wonder PSA machine they have for sale)

i really think the future looks bleak for mediwatch...if someone can put in concise terminology why MDW is a buy i am all ears....dont point me at fairfax report...they are a bunch of clowns as well...that interim report is shocking and i mean really poor.

costs out of control...margins squeezed, cash running out...no real revenue growth, does this sound like a growth company to you?

sell at 6p


treblewide - 4 Aug'09 - 15:50 - 22391 of 22412


god i have heard it all now...mick can you counter my points about declining margins and cash issues without nonsense posts about peopel having insider information...what a crock and what a clown.

so just so i have this straight in my head...when you put in effort to ramp these shares it is all great and you expect cuddles? (and if anyone disagrees you throw your toys out the pram liek an old woman)

when i put up a few posts to explain why i am short it is an organised attempt to get the share price down because i have insider inforamtion from the US?

were you the Iraqi information minister in a previous role? lol


treblewide - 5 Aug'09 - 19:24 - 22409 of 22412


lol.....shares getting sold today at 5.75.....next stop 3p...

treblewide - 4 Aug'09 - 12:44 - 22381 of 22408 edit


last chance to sell at 6p for your shares folks




treblewide - 5 Aug'09 - 19:29 - 22410 of 22412


i wonder what thier overdraft is limited to....1M?

if so they have 12 months of life left at current perfomance...how many of you hlders have considered the chances of them going bust?....i would not rule it out...would love to know how much further the banks will let them go into debt before they pull the plug

treblewide - 5 Aug'09 - 19:37 - 22411 of 22412


seriously if i were a holder i would look at the interims and ask how much longer can they go on burning cash.......and with all the averaging down the bulls have done over the years i bet some are more exposed than they should be....good luck...think you might need it




ANYWAY

http://mediwatch.blogspot.com/



banjomick - 23 Feb 2009 23:06 - 1561 of 1785

Benefit Plans to Provide for Prostate Cancer Screening

Staff Writer
11:56 AM CST, February 23, 2009

Arkansas lawmakers have passed a bill aimed at better fighting prostate cancer in the natural state.

In arkansas, more men die of prostate cancer, than women die of breast cancer.

Act 75 requires health benefit plans to provide prostate cancer screening for men, 40 years old and over.

Since1999, there has been a steady decrease in deaths from prostate cancer in Arkansas , but the Arkansas Central Cancer Registry Data indicates that there has been a steady increase in the number of new cases.

The bill, filed by Representative Fred Allen of Little Rock passed through the Arkansas Senate and House earlier this month and was signed into law by Governor Mike Beebe February 5th.

http://www.kfsm.com/news/kfsm-healthwatch-prostate-cancer-screening-bill,0,4577706.story

Fred1new - 24 Feb 2009 11:02 - 1562 of 1785

Banjo,
The fly in the prostate cancer diagnosis is as you stated in post 1559

"Experts advise a wait-and-see approach on treating low-grade prostate cancer "

That doesn't negate diagnosis or early treatment and my guess is that low "malignancy" tumours will be beneficial as longevity increases.

This will be dependent on therapeutic approach. Longterm MDW is going to do well.

As you are interested in this area, have a look at Cyprotex (WWW.Cyprotex.com) (CRX)

I think this is another small company, which I think is going to do well.

Maybe the area in which you are interested.

Fundamentals are getting better and promises to be in positive territory. If you can believe FDs any longer.

banjomick - 24 Feb 2009 12:07 - 1563 of 1785

Afternoon Fred,

There is no fly........

"Leading prostate cancer experts agree that close monitoring of the disease - a process known in some circles as watchful waiting, in others as active surveillance - probably is the best course for a large number of men."

It means keeping records of a persons PSA and DRE results rather than diving in with the knife.

Cheers,will have a look at CRX later.

banjomick - 24 Feb 2009 12:12 - 1564 of 1785

For example:

Active Surveillance

The concept of active surveillance, or watchful waiting, has increasingly emerged in the past years as a viable option for men who, for one reason or another, have decided not to undergo immediate surgery or radiation therapy. During active surveillance, the cancer is carefully monitored for signs of progression. A PSA blood test and DRE are usually administered every six months along with a yearly biopsy of the prostate. If symptoms develop, or if tests indicate that the cancer is growing, treatment might be warranted.

Active surveillance might be a good choice for men who have very slow growing or very early cancers, or for men who have other serious medical conditions that affect the way they live their lives, especially if these other conditions are likely to shorten their lifespan.

Also, many of the treatment options for prostate cancer can be difficult to endure, and better outcomes are seen in men who are otherwise healthy. If a man is currently battling other disorders or diseases, such as heart disease, long-standing high blood pressure, or poorly controlled diabetes, his doctors might feel that it is in his best interest to hold off on therapy and avoid its potential complications.

http://www.prostatecancerfoundation.org/site/pp.asp?c=itIWK2OSG&b=47304

banjomick - 24 Feb 2009 23:25 - 1565 of 1785

More computer problems but while I'm waiting for XP to load up.............

MDW have updated their website yet again,I don't know! :-)

Only had a quick look but under Ultrasound it looks like the Multiscan has been superseded by the Multiscan PVR.

Both the portable Sensic and Clinic Sensic have been added!

PSAwatch/Bioscan are under the same banner and the PDF is available to download.

For starters-lol

banjomick - 25 Feb 2009 22:36 - 1566 of 1785

PSA Levels Accurately Predict Prostate Cancer Risk In African-American Men

Article Date: 24 Feb 2009 - 13:00 PST

PSA levels appear to be more predictive of three year prostate cancer risk in African-American men compared with Caucasian men with a family history of prostate cancer, according to a paper published in Cancer Prevention Research, a journal of the American Association for Cancer Research.

"It was previously thought that PSA levels were just naturally higher in African-American men, suggesting a need to possibly adjust the threshold upward before recommending a biopsy," said Veda Giri, M.D., director of the Prostate Cancer Risk Assessment Program at Fox Chase Cancer Center.

Giri and colleagues at the University of Chicago observed 646 high-risk men, of whom 63 percent were African-American, in the Prostate Cancer Risk Assessment Program, which has an aggressive early detection approach.

No "race specific" differences in PSA levels were found when race was measured using genetic markers of ancestry or reported by participants.

The researchers subsequently analyzed men with a PSA between 1.5 to 4 ng/mL, and who had at least one follow-up visit. They found that among men with a family history of prostate cancer, PSA levels had the same predictive value whether the men were Caucasian or African-American.

These findings are unique in that typically men are not recommended for a prostate biopsy until their PSA levels rise above 4 ng/mL. Larger studies with longer follow-up are needed to confirm these findings.

"African-American men and men with a family history of prostate cancer should be encouraged to participate in early detection studies to define personalized screening strategies that may diagnose prostate cancer at a curable point," said Giri.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/139389.php

banjomick - 26 Feb 2009 21:53 - 1567 of 1785

From the recent Prelims:

The increase in Group turnover was attributable to:

Integration of the ex-Medtronic product lines for the majority of fiscal year 2008
Transfer of manufacturing capacity to an in-house process, enhancing the Groups response to customer orders and requests
Increased global revenues as a result of improved sales and marketing from the UK team, with continued sales growth from the US division
The introduction of a number of consumable product lines
The successful marketing of the new Portascan+TM and Bardscan II TM which has been reflected by encouraging sales in the period


In the immediate term we envisage continued growth in revenue streams from:

Increasing worldwide interest in the PSAwatch system
New range of Urodynamic equipment which has enhanced our product range
Entry into pathology services via the Bostwick Laboratory distribution agreement


In the future we plan to grow our point of care diagnostic test market with a new, innovative Mediwatch technology Zero Flow.

banjomick - 28 Feb 2009 20:21 - 1568 of 1785

The Society for Urodynamics and Female Urology (SUFU) Winter meeting finished today with the next event that MDW will be attending being the Society of Urologic Nurses and Associates (SUNA) Annual Symposium:



SUNA-Annual Symposium: Incontinence and Pelvic Floor Disorders.

banjomick - 28 Feb 2009 20:27 - 1569 of 1785

Incontinence and Pelvic Floor Disorders Focus of Society of Urologic Nurses and Associates Annual Symposium

"Urologic nurses and health care professionals will explore basic and advanced practice at the Society of Urologic Nurses and Associates (SUNA) Annual Symposium: Incontinence and Pelvic Floor Disorders, March 11-14, 2009, at the Hyatt Regency, San Francisco, CA. The symposium will highlight the most current advances and treatments for incontinence and pelvic floor disorders as well as urodynamics.

Attendees will hear from a dynamic faculty of nurse practitioners, physicians and physical therapists in preconference workshops and education sessions on such topics as incontinence, pelvic pain, pharmacology for pelvic disorders, and advanced practice clinical issues in men and women, young and old. Participants will also have the opportunity to earn continuing nursing education (CNE) credits, attend research luncheons, network with colleagues and explore the exhibit hall to learn about technologies and products."

The link for the above.....

banjomick - 28 Feb 2009 20:38 - 1570 of 1785

Mediwatch are of course a corporate member of SUNA:

Corporate Members

banjomick - 28 Feb 2009 20:42 - 1571 of 1785

Mediwatch PLC
1501 Northpoint Parkway Suite 103
West Palm Beach, FL 33407
Telephone: 888-471-2611
Web site: www.Mediwatch.com

Mediwatch are manufacturers and suppliers of high-technology urology products for the screening, diagnosis and assessment of a variety of clinical disorders. We focus on innovation in point-of-care devices, enabling clinicians to make rapid and efficient decisions.

Our range of diagnostic devices for urology includes:

Sensic Clinic
Complete urodynamics system, with Pressure-flow and UPP studies built in, and optional video cystometry. Also available with the well-established Duet Logic software.

Sensic Portable
Portable, small footprint system designed for clinicians with multiple sites to cover, or a restricted working area.

Duet Encompass urodynamics systems
Advanced urodynamics systems offering Anorectal manometry, Neuro-urodynamics, simple Biofeedback and cavernosometry

Portascan+ & Multiscan PVR
Portable and user-friendly real-time visual automatic bladder scanner
Designed for post-void residuals and use in concert with a urodynamics system

Urodyn 1000 and Portaflow uroflow devices
Spinning disc or weight-cell flowrate measurement

New Portaflow Advanced
Uroflow measurement system with Bluetooth connection to a Windows laptop

Urodynamic Consumables
A complete range including water & air charged catheters, EMG electrodes and pump tubing sets

EMR Connectivity
Three levels of communication with EMR systems via HL7 are available.

Mediwatch PLC-SUNA:Corporate Member

banjomick - 01 Mar 2009 00:26 - 1572 of 1785

A bit off topic but I thought I'd share a bit of Bauhaus before bed:

Bauhaus ~ Rosegarden Funeral of Sores

banjomick - 01 Mar 2009 13:18 - 1573 of 1785

I see the debate on Polyclinics v GP's is still rolling on:

"NHS 'does not need polyclinics'

Average-sized GP surgeries are just as good as "super-surgeries" at providing extra services, a study suggests.

Ministers in England have asked health chiefs to create a network of polyclinics to provide extra care, such as diabetes clinics and minor surgery.

But a Kent-based GP's study of 384 practices found no difference between the range of extra services offered by standard surgeries and polyclinics.

The government said polyclinics would provide a valuable service to patients.

Every NHS trust in the country has been told to set up at least one polyclinic, with a whole network being created in London."


"The Department of Health said it was investing 250 million in new services to improve access to GP services.

"This includes 152 GP health centres, open 8am-8pm, seven days a week, which can be used by any member of the public on top of, not instead of, their existing GP surgery," a spokeswoman said."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7915727.stm

banjomick - 01 Mar 2009 15:50 - 1574 of 1785

Prostate cancer diagnosis in the new millennium: strengths and weaknesses of prostate-specific antigen and the discovery and clinical evaluation of prostate cancer gene 3 (PCA3)

http://www.urotoday.com/images/british/bju3_2009_02.pdf






banjomick - 03 Mar 2009 10:49 - 1575 of 1785

An upper age limit for first-line treatment of localized disease?
Posted on March 2, 2009 by E. Michael D. ("Mike") Scott

For many years there has been intense discussion regarding who needs early detection and early (first-line) treatment for localized prostate cancer.

We know that many men have indolent disease (but we dont know who or how many). We know that most men who are diagnosed with early stage, localized disease of low or intermediate risk will take several years to progress to metastatic disease and to show any significant signs or symptoms of that disease. And we know that many men who receive early treatment for localized prostate cancer have significant adverse effects (harms) that impact their quality of life.

So this raises two questions:

When do the potential harms of first-line treatment for localized disease start to seriously outweigh the potential benefits?
Does it, at some point, become unethical to give first-line treatment to an elderly man for localized disease, however much he may desire it?

Why is this question coming up now? you ask. Because of a case report that appears in a recent publication.

http://prostatecancerinfolink.net/2009/03/02/an-upper-age-limit-for-first-line-treatment-of-localized-disease/#more-4393

banjomick - 03 Mar 2009 17:58 - 1577 of 1785

Not sure if Mark Emberton will be speaking at the Stockholm EAU congress as a non-executive Director of MDW or as an expert in the field of prostate cancer,probably the latter but all good publicity!

Prostate Cancer

Per-Anders Abrahamsson, Malm(SW), Frans M.J. Debruyne, Arnhem (NL), Mark Emberton, London (GB) and Manfred Wirth, Dresden (DE).

EAU TV is part of the EAU's initiatives to actively use contemporary electronic media such as podcast, webinars and TV news. For example, all congress sessions will be webcasted.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/140822.php

Treblewide - 03 Mar 2009 19:42 - 1578 of 1785

i see you are still ramping away...i would be selling into any strenght...bear market an all that....i would think it will re-test the lows.

anyway best of luck and happy ramping

banjomick - 03 Mar 2009 19:48 - 1579 of 1785

I see the Prostate Cancer Charity still refuse to mention the PSA test by name but a very good video all the same.

The charity give the impression that all they are interested in is finding the perfect test and cure for PC and disregard what is available today! Their public awareness campaigns are excellent though which encourage PSA testing and therefore highlights PSAwatch.


http://www.pantsalot.org.uk/why-we-need-your-help.php

http://www.prostate-cancer.org.uk/help/corporate/case_studies/study_17.asp

banjomick - 03 Mar 2009 22:59 - 1580 of 1785

It would take a braver man than me to say that these positions in MediGroup Asia Ltd were related to MDW's product line.As there appears to be no website for the company I think it's worth posting as it does mention MDT.Vietnam is the 13th largest country by population in the world with over 80 million.

"MediGroup Asia Ltd., was established in 1995, a leader provider of clinical diagnostic and high tech medical devices in the Indochina region. Our products are including the famous brands: Medtronic Inc, Behnk GmbH, Human GmbH and Konelab systems of ThermoFisher Inc. collaboration with GE Life Sciences and GE Compact Ultrasound."

03/03/2009 Sales Executive/ Repersentative
03/03/2009 Service Engineer (HCM & HN)
27/02/2009 PRODUCT SPECIALIST

http://vinacareers.com/view.php?company_id=11481958&type=search&auth_sess=m5tsm73kl9t2g3c1loinml8ge5&ref=f3032de4e7f8f0aace570c44a&language=english


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