Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

lol

ITLB, I've seen Haystack's posts for years and have never seen a single hateful one.

Methinks you do have a tendency to try to shut out logical argument by name-calling.

Kayak,

Hays is often hateful to me.

I showed his postings to my "mum", and she said I am sure that when he grows up he will be nicer".

I always believe my mum, but have doubts about this.

He is a ????????? nice fellow really.

Honest!

Gausie
That's what all anti-semitic people say! Come out of the closet.

Kayak
I must try harder.

Gausie - hardly ! LOL I wasn't referring to you, I was talking about haymaker what with his arrogant supercilious self-righteousness saying Israel should never have existed. How many non anti-semites go around saying that?
How many non anti-semites condemn Israel for allegedly breaking "international law", then go on to say Palestinians should break "international law"?
Now you may know him personally, but his words suggest something else under the surface.

Kayak,
Are you suggesting logical argument is possible when virulent anti-Israel propaganda is posted by these people?
Check out the opening post talking of murder and war crimes.......and you think it's ME who has "a tendency to try to shut out logical argument by name-calling"

fred,
I read your last post and smiled. Maybe you have some saving grace.

ITLB

The opening post is just Fred. He's a tosser with shit for brains for whom being controversial and taking on the world of rational posters gives him an e-hardon.

Recognise that he's seen almost unanimously on here as the insignificant clown that he is.

G

ps to Fred: No offence meant.

All that much.

Gausie,
Being a newcomer here I was not aware that fred was held in such general and justifiable contempt.
I view your comments about him as being the height of perspicacity.
I tend to see his supporters as being fahel and haystacking, a sort of triumvirate of hate merchants coming from different places. Strange bed-fellows, but then the extreme left, the extreme right and the weak minded liberal left not to mention a PART (not all) of the Muslim tradition have all found something to unite them in the age old disease of anti-semitism.

By the way, I am not Jewish, but was a member of the Anti-Nazi League years ago and now Unite Against Fascism and I know a bit about spotting Nazis and anti-semites.
In Unite Against Fascism we have an eclectic mix of people, with many of whom you can have a good rational discussion about Israel, its failings, successes and difficulties but one thing we have in common is that we all loathe the hatemongers.

When we see them, we don't sit idly by.

The response of haymaker and fred to this post is very predictable LOL

ITLB, I agree with Gausie though I might have used different words :-)

BTW, ITLB, I see a lot of hatred in your posts. In fact you just used the word loathe.

There are some things I'm passionate about :)

But I'm very forgiving and also dispassionate about helping ill or injured people whoever they are.

I would help haymaker and even fahel.

But that fred, oh that would be hard :)

Ah. So those anti-Semites could actually just be passionate about the suffering of people of whatever kind?

Ah. It explains a lot. The anti-Nazi league were always a bunch of nutters. They always wan to suppress free speech. the way they react to the BNP is a case in point. I dislike the BNP, but I defend their right to be heard, which the anti-Nazi league do not. So, it is now Unite Against Fascism.

The best candidate for Facism is the Labour party and other left wing parties. Facism is all about state control. Of itself is has little do with racism of any sort. It just got sidetracked in that direction.

itL.

I won't miss your adulation.

In fact quiet relieved not to receive it.

Hays, I think your last paragraph is ------. (I am tired.)

I think if there was a little more state control we wouldn't be in the economic chaos that we are in.

A few months ago, the City and the Markets were praying for intervention by the state to bail them out.

There is a need for a strong interventionist government sometimes, otherwise you have a government by financial monopoly and not social moderate consensus morality.

Which to a certain degree the Ashcrofts of this world have tried to do with in the present election.

The morning will say whether they have got away with itor not.

Copied Fred into one of my earlier posts by email .... just in case he missed it on the BB.

Once again pointing to the intellectual capacity of some posters.

I suppose this takes the place of argument.

Shows the intolerance of some!

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ITLB

The opening post is just Fred. He's a tosser with shit for brains for whom

being controversial and taking on the world of rational posters gives him
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e-hardon.

Recognise that he's seen almost unanimously on here as the insignificant
clown that he is.

G

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TIME SQUARE BOMB HOAX, Israeli Intel Group Shows It's Hand
Rainbow Warrior |

ISRAELIS BLAME TALIBAN GROUP, ONE THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH FOR YEARS

By Gordon Duff


Who would have believed it? Only days after a warning of an Israeli "false flag" bombing against the US "in the works" a massive car bomb is discovered in Time Square! Better yet, though no intelligence organization in the world could discover anyone claiming responsibility for this embarrassing failure, SITE Intelligence, a group rumored as the "voice of the Mossad" has placed the blame on the Pakistani Taliban.

This is the same group that has come up with numerous bin Laden "audio" tapes, seemingly, though tiny and nearly totally unstaffed, whenever it is convenient for Israel to point a finger at someone, magically Site Intelligence, run by former IDF soldier Rita Katz, whose father was executed as a spy by Saddam Hussein, makes another "unbelievable" intelligence find.

Site Intelligence finds are not only timely for Israel, when the world is focused on claims they have been planning a 'dirty bomb' attack to send the US to war against Iran, but always tend to support mysterious organizations run from the caves of the Afghanistan/Pakistan border region.

With the demise of Al Qaeda, an unnamed Taliban organization with a website only visible to one person on earth has now declared a mysterious and shadowy war against the United States, in New York City, a city under tight security but one with a very large Israeli/Mossad presence.

This was the same city where the "dancing Israeli's," celebrated 9/11 after filming the attacks. Their advance knowledge of the attacks has been one of the many puzzle pieces tying Israel to 9/11.

However, it wasn't until the "crotch bomber" of last Christmas that the breadth of Israel's penetration of US security was demonstrated with Abdulmohammed's attack tying directly to Tel Aviv.

Anyone who visits New York is aware that security there, especially in Time Square is the highest of anywhere in the world. The intelligence organizations protecting New York, including the world's best police force, leave only one organization as capable of this kind of effort, an organization with massive resources in the area, numerous Israeli/American assets and many residual relationships with Gulliani/Kerik/Bush era friends, friends conveniently "asleep at the switch" on 9/11.

TIMING

Recent intelligence leaks from several agencies have warned of an impending "9/11 style" attack on a high value target in the US and Israel. Reports that a conventional bomb enhanced with nuclear material would be used.

With Iranian president Ahmandinejad and Secretary of State Clinton both scheduled to be in New York in the next 24 hours, and recent stories out of Israel trying to tie Iran to the Taliban, the issue of "timing" is a critical one.

ISREAL TIES TO PAKISTAN TALIBAN WELL ESTABLISHED

The group blamed in the Site Intelligence/Israeli report, the Pakistani Taliban has been responsible for hundreds of attacks in Pakistan, killing thousands of citizens. However, reliable sources have tied this group directly to Mossad/RAW training camps inside Afghanistan and Balochistan. The Pakistani Taliban have long been allies of Israel and India with 2000 terrorist trainers inside Afghanistan arming Pakistani Taliban terrorist group.

This has been confirmed, not only in direct briefings with the Pakistani ISPR and ISI but US military intelligence sources as well, who dispute then number of terrorist trainers, not their presence.

Terrorist groups inside Balochistan, the remote Pakistan province said to be a haven for Mossad attacks against Iran, claim to be headquartered in Israel. These groups work directly with the Pakistan Taliban and are another indication of this current "stunt" turning back on non-Islamic planners.

ALWAYS THE SAME, "WHO GAINS?"

With Iran taking the propaganda offensive to the United States, a nation increasingly distancing itself from, not only the idea of supporting an Israeli attack on Iran, Israel is under pressure to reestablish itself as America's partner in a long discredited "war on terror" that has been a huge embarrassment to the US.

With over 90% of America's terror arrests turning out to be innocent bystanders, some tortured for years, untold numbers "disappeared," Bush era failures have soured public support for hunting terrorist leaders who have increasingly been either captured by Pakistan or have been found to be negotiating with US forces.

With the signature of this bombing being so close to that of the "crotch bombing," an attack with Israeli fingerprints from Nigeria to Yemen to Amsterdam, the "superfast" accusation against a Pakistani group was no surprise.

ONGOING INVESTIGATION/FOX "ISRAELI ASSET" NEWS ATTACKS OBAMA

With New York police discounting the Pakistan connection to the bombing immediately, Fox News has unleashed an attack on the Obama administration in a well orchestrated manner, accusing democrats of "failing to protect the American people."

With both Site Intelligence and Fox News tied directly to Israel and the signature and timing of this attack showing clear Israeli fingerprints, Fox may be right.

America may be unable to protect itself from a nation still seen by most Americans as a close ally. No other nation has the capability of such an attack or the influence to orchestrate the news, an act already in motion.

If any finger is pointing anywhere, Fox News is telling us "Israel did it."

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fahel: That is the most ridiculous bunch of complete tosh I've read in years.

Where on Earth do find all this crap?