Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

i don't doubt JRM's sincerity, but the fact of the matter is that 48% of the country = those who bothered to vote! wanted to stay within eu

of the leavers, some wanted to pull up the drawbridge, many (i think) wanted quite a soft exit, and of course, to a similar greater or lesser extent, others wanted to stay in

the splits are throughout all areas of the population and voters of all hues

any deal negotiated would always have to be a compromise of some kind, and it seems to me that, after many months of exceedingly hard work and negotiation, is what has now been tabled

i'm sure there is much in this deal with which i would disagree, but if we are to leave eu - and i think i would still vote to do so, and my wife assuredly would - then i would far rather take what is now offered than exiting with no deal at all

Stan you know we blokes can't multitask that is something reserved for the female of the species, and I was watching Parliament.

Point taken George so excuse boots for you...now what about the rest of you ?

"those who bothered to vote! wanted to stay within eu

of the leavers, some wanted to pull up the drawbridge, many (i think) wanted quite a soft exit, and of course, to a similar greater or lesser extent, others wanted to stay in"

Perhaps some are realising they will have to pay for the sweeties and goodies that they were being told they could have for nothing.

Some others, many of the more still ardent "little englanders" appear to be xenophobic and hiding behind the banners of "independence" are "questioning" the effects of their said independence is going to have on them after their so-called victory. (The price to be paid.)

But even this latter group are beginning to grumble about the probable costs of their "success".
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A bit like the success felt by many after the 1914-18 war who asked: "what was it all about?".

This is the Dell Boy, a hero of the tory party who gave way to provocation and chose what he thought was an easy way to placate his party.

Politics, before national interests, comes to mind.

How many tory MP resignations so far TODAY?

Any left?

Is anybody other than Dil rioting on the streets yet?

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Unlike Theresa herself, I don't see her as current day Messiah, she knowingly picked up a poison chalice and tried to run with it, rather than making a thorough appraisal of the problems of so-called Brexit and then presenting HONESTLY the problems and having a sensible realistic review.

She is "toughing it out" to save her own face and a page in history.

I think Moggy may have shot his bolt rather foolishly.

In the event that 48 people do hand in letters and there is a no-confidence vote in Maggie Dismay in the near future, it's by no means certain that 158 Conservative MPs will vote against her and that she'll be ousted. And then, as you can only have one no-confidence vote a year....

He doesn't seem to shoot blanks.

Talking of blanks...what did happen to H/S? 😀

no one knows, not least because no one knows his true i/d

He's still contactable by the internal messaging service I see...As he's your friend I nominate you to contact him.

I think he is down at Tory Central Office canvassing to become PM.

Could be Fred could be, now as I remember showing a picture of one of his favourite MPs (closet of course) did seem to get a response from him. I will try again..

shame corbyn didn't look that smart last sunday
on that day, he was clearly intentionally scruffy, wore an almost invisible poppy, and slouched up to place his wreath ...... what sort of example of showing much deserved respect is that?

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stan - h/s was never my friend, though i probably agreed with his views more often that i do with fred's ..... i had a feeling that he was somewhere within the tory party in its widest sense, but more than that i do not know

“stan - h/s was never my friend,”...oh yeah I forgot you haven’t got any 🤣

The lovely Teresa is going to talk more bollards in a few minutes...I just can’t wait can you 😴

No sign of Dil or H/S on this exciting day I have a theory...they’re run away together.

Oi cynic , the only idiot on here is you ... the one person who thinks May has done a good job.

Even Fred and Stan aren't that stupid.

I'm back Stan , sorry been out since early this morning have you missed me :-)

Missed you? Yeah got a lousy shot that’s my trouble now about the Haystack disappearance...what yer done with him?

Oh yes thanks for the compliment 👍😄