Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Do you mean go to Dignity?

TM - Please Go Now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h42kzEA9l8Q

Nice one Fred - many of us will agree with that one I guess.

Brexit TEST for May: PM will need 50 Tory Brexiteers AND Labour rebels to pass deal

THERESA May said "difficult days lie ahead" after she announced her Brexit deal - but the Prime Minister now faces the biggest test of her political carer as she battles to get her agreement through Parliament.
By REBECCA PERRING (Express)
PUBLISHED: 14:47, Thu, Nov 15, 2018 | UPDATED: 14:59, Thu, Nov 15, 2018

Mrs May’s fight to get her proposal in place before Brexit day is just beginning as she faces an uphill struggle in the House of Commons where a ‘meaningful vote’ will take place in Parliament.

A vote is expected to take place in the Commons in December, where a simple majority of MPs will need to vote for the blueprint for the deal to be given the green light. But Mrs May could be forced to turn to her biggest critics - hardcore Tory Brexiteers and Labour rebels - as she wrestles to get her Brexit deal through Parliament. The magic number is 320, a majority of the 639 voting MPs, which excludes suspensions, the Speaker, three Deputy Speakers and seven Sinn Fein MPs who abstain from attending the UK Parliament.

The Parliament website lists 93 MPs who are ministers of Government and would therefore be bound to support Theresa May's Brexit plans owing to collective responsibility.

But with the shock resignations of her Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab and Work and Pensions Secretary Esther McVey, Mrs May is likely to fall short of the votes she needs from within her own party.

Loyalists to Mrs May and the Government would vote in favour of the deal, as well as a number of Brexiteer MPs who may have been spooked by the Prime Minister’s message that it was this deal, no deal or no Brexit.

But if all opposition parties voted against the deal, and they were joined by up to 40 Conservative rebels, the Government would be as many as 44 votes short of the 320 they need.

The Liberal Democrats, Greens and Plaid Cymru have said they are opposed to a deal, and it seems unlikely the Scottish National Party would support it given Nicola Sturgeon said the agreement would be "a bad one for Scotland".

The Democratic Unionist Party's stance on the Brexit deal is uncertain.

Arlene Foster has said the Prime Minister is "fully aware of our position and concerns" over Northern Ireland being treated differently to the rest of the UK.

Engulfed by division in the Tory ranks, Tory Brexiteer and chairman of the European Research Group, Jacob Rees-Mogg, has also submitted a letter of no confidence in the his party leader against what it sees as her capitulation to Brussels.

Mr Rees-Mogg has also claimed the ERG has 80 MPs ready to vote against Mrs May’s Brexit deal.

This means the embattled Tory leader could need to find up to 100 votes - but perhaps more realistically somewhat less - from elsewhere.

So the Prime Minister may well need to extend an olive branch to Labour, which also has its own divisions between those like Chuka Umunna who oppose Brexit, those like Caroline Flint who support it reluctantly because their constituents voted to leave, or those like Kate Hoey who are ardent Brexiteers.

If the Government was able to persuade as many as 40 Labour MPs to back the deal, and limit the number of Tory rebels to around 20, this could be enough to reach the magic number of 320.

The question is how many of Jeremy Corbyn's MPs are prepared to defy him and support the Prime Minister, reasoning that a no-deal Brexit, which they fear could bring about an economic disaster, would be a worse outcome.

The 48 letters from Conservative MPs needed to trigger a vote of no confidence in Theresa May’s leadership have been submitted to the 1922 Committee, a single -sourced Reuters Brexit editor is reporting.

Their BrexitCentral editor cites a source who he insists is always reliable.

Twitter: Jonathan Isaby @isaby tweets:

Unconfirmed and from a single (always previously reliable) source - but hearing that the 48 letters are in and Downing Street are preparing for a no confidence motion in Theresa May as Conservative leader...

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“Unconfirmed and from a single (always previously reliable) source – but hearing that the 48 letters are in and Downing Street are preparing for a no confidence motion in Theresa May as Conservative leader…” tweeted Reuters’ Jonathan Isaby who is well connected to Brexiters in the Conservative Party.

The Huffpost’s Paul Waugh just tweeted: “All Govt whips havejust been told to cancel Friday constituency engagements and convene inParliament today, one source tells me. Make of that what you will?”

Just look at some of the detail of May's deal .. it's a lock-in forever..



https://brexitcentral.com/nasty-surprises-smallprint-theresa-mays-brexit-deal/

10100. I don't. Her head is still above water.

Gove sticks by her but that is to be expected of the back stabbing worm that he is - I expect he sees it as his best chance of being the next leader of the party but if he was and called an election - the British would I expect boot him into oblivion.

Yep I agree Maxk , there is no reason whatsoever for the EU to agree any kind of trade deal with us during the transition period as it would be better for them to just keep talking indefinitely.

Not only have the EU talked TM out of £39 billion of tax payers money but talked her out of keeping her promises to the Britsh Public intact. In the same way as she cost the party seat in the last election, she seems to think she knows best - no matter how far from reality that is.

you guys remind me of a golf club with 500 members, where 750 of them voice "expert" opinions on complex agronomical issues, when actually they don't have a clue

Manuel,

I agree with you, they should all listen to their Mammy or Nanny and "think" as she "thinks".


(I suppose she thinks rather than believes.)

i happen to think that deal obtained was probably about the best that could have been wrung out of eu
whether or not the referendum went "the wrong way" is irrelevant .... the result was as it was

Manuel,

Is that why when a general election is held and throws the occupying party out grabbing power it then can change or modify political policies which doesn't suit the moment.

UMH.
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When you take your medicine in the morning don't make a mistake.

You are not allowed to change your mind and cough it back up, even if somebody else notices and bothers to tell you.

A world without the chance to review decisions. UMMMM.

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By the way, how much has all the "toing and froing" by economically austerity conscious T. May and cohorts cost the UK public, by flying back and fro from Brussels and other places of tourist interest on the pretence of negotiating the Future of the UK.

She seems to have used a lot of fuel and contributed enough to climate warming and pollution and achieved little.

I wonder if she is looking for a "bolt hole" to spend her future in.

But she has the party behind her looking at their pay packets and perhaps in the case of Gove his goal of party leader.

cynic - you can think what you like but if your strong and confident you tell them not ask them. This is the deal or we do xyz - then back your words with deeds.
TM said No Deal is Better than a Bad Deal - so she now shows she is weak by not backing her words and accepting a Very Bad Deal and trying to sell it as though that is the best deal.

No Deal is the Best Deal.

Manuel,

PS. She could have stayed in the EU and modified the contracts we had rather than having to renegotiate everything again.

Bloooody daft.

No she couldn't Fred , staying in is not an option anyone has a mandate for.

Best option now is to leave with no deal , keep our money and get on with life.

The said "deal" with the "27" is little different to what the UK has with the EU at the moment, other than a seat at the table in any reviews of Rules, Regulations or Laws.

If this "policy" goes through then the general public of the UK as a whole will lose more than it gains.

The ones who will gain are already shorting the market.

But some of those little nationalists driving "Brexit" are probably doing that already.