Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

It.

Your certainty is truly amazing.

Is it the basis for a new cult religion?

CNG - pretty much agree with you


Dubai - the only thing that goes cheep here are the birds, though if you know where the locals eat, it is certainly a fractionof what you get charged in tourist traps

I think tons of people, MPs included, are forgetting one vital thing:

As soon as we go back to tell the EU, that we want to remove the backstop, the EU are going to want something for doing it. If it is removed, it is going to cost us big time.

Just had some early Christmas wishes by way of the usual seasonal letter from a now retired friend of mine who now lives in Germany and was a previous head of the British Council out in the middle east. In it he explains how he has lived more in Europe than the UK. He has really been around and sorta kinda knows what he is talking about and spent a lifetime working for peace and international understanding

Main thing politically from him: He is so sad that the EU 'has lost us' and primarily blames the likes of the 'egotistical types like the buffoon Boris Johnson'.

I kind of agree with my friend about Boris, and more so after BJ's haphazard mish-mash of a performance yesterday afternoon in the Commons, when nobody really wanted to listen to him any further with tons of MPs speaking over him and now treating him with much disrespect. He will now never become PM.

I kind of disagree with him though, in that the EU was not democratic and we could not ever be able to adequately influence things. Unlimited movement of people was fine and noble - but not when you are an island already loaded up with a great free NHS and are already chock-a-block with your roads and pollution and schools.

My friend explains and feels, that our electorate has not properly understood how close our ties with the EU have been with our indispensable reliance on free movement of people for our services, hospitals, agriculture and industry.

He misses, possibly because of his travels, our national great feeling of 'being taken for a ride by the EU and by its lack of democracy and impingement of rule'. We solidly thought we were made to be rule takers by it and not allowed at all to be rule makers.

I don't think we have to bin in the EU to have a peaceful relationship with them. Albeit, that I do worry about our loss of the 'EU Security Systems' - resulting in us being made to be starved of 'quick data searching'. (Could we recruit Assange to hack into it for us? Hmmm?). How miserable of them!

Now the full legal advice has been published -it is clear that more MP`s should sign up to the no confidence motion and get TM out ASAP.

She is so hard working and knows her subject thoroughly but perhaps she is merely too strongly coercive and bullying.

EL - a thoughtful piece of your above
as i have posted on several occasions, my own view is that TM did a pretty good job considering the almost impossible position she was put in

with regard to this security issue, i doubt that the threat will ever actually be realised, as uk intelligence is among the best in the world and eu won't want to lose access to that

Hey outers...what part of the globe are you fleeing to when the vote goes against you?

stan - much more relevant is what do you suppose happens when this vote indeed goes against TM?

do you suggest that parliament just scrubs article 50 and goes back to brussels and asks to be readmitted?
if so, that patently goes against the result of the referendum, however faulty you personally regard that

do you suggest another referendum - your previous comment on this was specious?
if so,that certainly sets a dangerous precedent, and what then happens if the majority still vote to leave?

Stan, anywhere warmer than the UK if outers rights to live in the EU are withdrawn - do you have any suggestions to those of us that enjoy sitting around in the sun and swimming in warm pools best part of most years.

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"She is so hardworking and knows her subject thoroughly but perhaps she is merely too strongly coercive and bullying."

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Do you mean she is an unrelenting elitist oligarch and believes in her positioning and her right to determine the political policies of a country without regard to the differing opinions of the populace or hoi polloi of that country?

ummmh!

Maggie has been resurrected.

What happened to her?

Well looks like May paid no attention to the legal advice regarding the back stop. Sorry cynic but she has done a bloody awful job on behalf of the U.K. Feels moe like a surrender than deal.

If we go back to the EU and tell them to come up with a better idea for Ireland or it's no deal then look at the choice they face.

Either we leave with no deal and the Irish border is their problem anyway or we leave with the current deal and an acceptable back stop agreement.

No need to give them bugger all to change it.

Alf will be telling us next that he is a member of UK intelligence.

clearly you are not!
rules have been tightened since burgess and maclean and blunt

DIL - you're fully entitled to your opinion, but who do you suggest might have done a better job? ........ BJ perhaps? :-)

Lol re Fred's intelligence

Cynic , I'm tempted to say anyone but that wouldn't be true.

Probably I'd have gone for David Davies who would have got us a much better deal if he'd been leader and would probably have done a better job of keeping his party onside and also at the same time attracting the votes of Labour rebels.

Whatever deal we got was never going to be great but the current deal is as bad if not worsE THAN STAying in.

BJ would have done a better job than May imo but wouldn't have been my first choice as leader .... maybe Brexit minister though :-)

"Either we leave with no deal and the Irish border is their problem anyway or we leave with the current deal and an acceptable back stop agreement."


But some of us don't want to be a backward state like a Monmouthshire backwater and would prefer to be in the EU, and able to negotiate our future.

Lol , you should have fecking voted then

The Attorney General's legal advice to the government has now been published.

Here's a link: https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/brexit-legal-advice?ref=hpsplash

Cox warns that the backstop arrangement contained within the withdrawal agreement would "endure indefinitely," a phrase which has enraged Brexiteers who say it would represent an incomplete Brexit.

It confirms the government does not have the right to withdraw from the backstop unilaterally, something Brexiteers have advocated.

There is a legal risk that the UK could become stuck in "protracted and repeating rounds of negotiations" with Brussels.

The date on the Attorney General's advice is 13 November, the same day MPs asked for the advice to be published. Hmmm? This could mean that the government had not actually received any formal legal advice on the Withdrawal Agreement before, despite May publishing her formal Brexit plan weeks earlier.

The worst thing is that the DUP particularly, now feel greatly conned. I think she has lost them for good.

How sad. TM can't run the government without the DUP. Yesterday, she lost three votes. without a running majority there would be more and more and even more of exactly that.

Unless the Tories chuck her out and replace her with a new leader we are not going to get the DUP back on side any time soon, IMHO.

So it's either that or a General Election.

If it's the latter, then 'Oooops!' in goes Prime Minister Corbyn for sure. The electorate would definitely chuck out the Tories just for messing up Brexit.