This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

I've got to say, this is a major issue.
fred, I cannot find reference to a threat, but I can find one to morals!!
Does this mean that criminals will now only be arrested if the officer concerned thinks the law is right??
Will a homophobic officer be allowed to miss policing the gay rights marches??
Will officers who support the BNP (and there are many) be allowed a day off from policing when the BNP come to town. Will they have to show there voting cards before guarding the party conferences?
The officer was there to provide for the safety of diplomats residing in London. Their ethnicity is irrelevant to him. Their safety is his job. this officer, and the berk who allowed his appeal, are turning themselves into judge and jury and it must be stopped, fast.
The british police force are a fine body, but to turn them into a pick 'n' mix selection is ridiculous. Imagine the outcry if my police officer friend who is jewish, refused to police areas of Dewsbury which are 90%+ Muslim. He would, quite rightly be drummed out of the force, and quickly.
Alan

So true Alan, but the laws of the land do not permit exclusion of ethnicity within the workplace. What use is a bodyguard who spends an hour a day praying, surely this opens a window for attack and the rule of fitness for purpose should be applied. Does a person have the right to be homophobic and if yes then is this right applied to the workplace also? It would be if religious..

I love this game, are there prizes?

I would hazard a guess that barwoni is from Ireland.

Thats where the liberal arguments fall down, explosive. Well pinpointed.
We all profess to believe in freedom. Of choice, of action, of movement etc.
Hand in hand with the freedoms goes the freedom to take the consequences of our actions or omissions. Without this freedom, all the others mean nothing. The policeman concerned has every right to not police the embassy. He must accept that this right goes hand in hand with the right to lose his job. He has rights to appeal this, which he has rights to lose or win. He has a right to vote as he wishes, if he does not like the laws of the land. He does not have the right to refuse without consequence.
What next? Agrophobic and dyslexic postmen pleading their right to be employed not to deliver mail? Secretaries refusing to type mail they do not agree with? Teachers of a religious bent refusing to teach darwinism?
It is a mind boggling message that has been sent out. i'm terrified my staff will get wind, turn communist and refuse to do any work that may make money for the ruling cadre (me).
I think i'll go check the news item again. On reflection it must have been written by lewis carrol (Very weak pun intended).
Alan

LONDON (Reuters) - Former foreign secretary Jack Straw said Muslim women who wore full veils made community relations "more difficult", sparking criticism from Islamic groups who said the comments would cause anger in their communities.

Straw, now Leader of the House of Commons, said a veil was "a visible statement of separation and difference" and that he felt much more comfortable dealing with

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people with their faces uncovered.
Writing in his local paper, Straw said he was concerned that "wearing the full veil was bound to make better, positive relations between the two communities more difficult".

Straw said he had received a unanimously positive response to his request for Muslim women to take off their veils when they came to see him in Blackburn, the town he represents in parliament.

"Most seem relieved I have asked," he said in his article for the Lancashire Evening Telegraph.


Its when you see the poor women in their full jalabas sweating in a 100 degrees on the beach and having to swim with the full regalia on as well......Bless ! you got to feel sorry for them......

Kriss attacked 'for being white'

The Kriss Donald trial has heard details of his abduction
A 15-year-old Glasgow schoolboy who was stabbed and set on fire was attacked because he was white, according to one of the men who abducted him.
Three men are on trial at the High Court in Edinburgh for the murder of Kriss Donald, they deny all charges.

Zahid Mohammed was jailed for five years in 2004 after admitting he had assaulted Kriss Donald.

Giving evidence in the murder trial, he said the boy pleaded for his life after he was snatched from a street in 2004.

Mohammed, 22, was released on licence on Wednesday.

He was giving evidence on the third day of the trial of Imran Shahid, 29, his brother Zeeshan "Crazy" Shahid, 28, and Mohammed "Beck" Mushtaq, 27, who have denied abducting and murdering Kriss in a racially motivated attack on 15 March, 2004.

He told the court that he had driven around with a group of Asian youths looking for revenge after Imran Shahid had been hit with a bottle in a night club.

Zahid Mohammed said Kriss was punched as his attackers demanded to know who carried out the bottle attack.

Mohammed said that before they left a flat in the Pollokshields area, Imran Shahid - whose nickname is "Baldy" - had threatened that he would look for someone to cut them up and take out their eyes.

'Batter' threat

Advocate depute Mark Stewart QC asked Mohammed: "Look for who?"

Mohammed told him: "Anybody."

Mr Stewart asked: "Did he indicate it was to be a white person?"

Mohammed replied: "Yes."

The witness said that on that afternoon schoolboy Kriss was grabbed and pushed into the footwell of a Mercedes car, where he was punched and threatened.

The court heard that Kriss said: "I am only 15. What did I do?"

Mohammed said "scared" Kriss was driven in the back of the Mercedes towards Parkhead, then to Hamilton and then to Strathclyde Country Park.

On the way, the abductors in the car made mobile phone calls, in Punjabi, in which they wanted to find a place where they could "batter someone".


Zahid Mohammed was released from prison on Wednesday

Mohammed said he left the group in Strathclyde Country Park because he had to comply with a tagging order imposed earlier for carrying a knife and road traffic offences.

The Mercedes drove off with the other men and Kriss still in it.

Mohammed told the court that if Kriss had been black or Asian he would not have been seized.

The men were not looking for anyone in particular, just "boys from McCulloch Street".

Mohammed said he phoned Mr Mushtaq that night to find out what happened and the accused replied that everything was alright.

He asked Mr Mushtaq and Zeeshan Shahid the same question the next day and Mr Shahid said: "He took it quietly."

Imran Shahid has lodged a special defence to the murder charge, blaming Daanish Zahid and Zahid Mohammed and others.

He also faces charges of assaulting detectives and attempting to pervert the course of justice.

The three have denied a further charge of acting in a racially aggravated manner at Edinburgh Sheriff Court.

Zahid Mohammed had admitted assaulting Kriss and telling lies about where he was on the day of the teenager's abduction at a previous hearing in Glasgow.

Defending one of the others, Donald Findlay QC cast doubt on Mr Mohammed's evidence pointing out that two years ago he had been charged with the schoolboy's murder until he agreed to name others.

The trial continues.

I think barwoni is a Nigerian traffic warden.

I think the full facts speak for themselves re this officer.
If he'd neglected his duties or willingness to uphold them prior or since this incident (a 2 hour posting -carrying a FIREARM) then it would be a serious matter.
If the police federartion which represents rank and file Pc's came out against him then YES I'd say it was serious.
But given none of the above then, well he's got every right to expect an organisation to respect his welfare and not put him in a situation where his impartiality may be comprimised. Would you really want someone carrying a loaded sidearm/MP5 sub machine gun-who was'nt 100% on the ball?
Or is that asking too much?

Google Again Censors, Stifles 9/11 Film's Growth
Video viewership figures for Terror Storm being reset to prevent movie going "Loose Change" viral

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | October 5 2006

Google Video has re-imposed a crass censorship policy to intentionally stifle the growth of Alex Jones' Terror Storm documentary and prevent it from reaching tens of millions of people by covertly editing viewer statistics and blocking the film from entering its popular categories.

Last week we highlighted how Google had reset viewing totals for Terror Storm from hundreds of thousands of views on several different video versions back down to zero for each one.

Following a complaint Google admitted that the numbers had been reset by mistake, despite the fact that the error only seemed to apply to Terror Storm, and assured us that the problem would not re-occur.

A brief appraisal of the viewership figures for the multiple different versions of Terror Storm again shows that Google have deliberately reset the viewership stats to prevent the film getting a foothold in the Popular, Featured, or Movers and Shakers categories. It is only when a film enters these prominent categories that it really begins to spread like wildfire and enter a cycle of exponential multiplication.

Figures that were heading towards 500,000 views for different uploads of the film are now back in the low hundreds and tens of thousands. The number of viewer submitted comments remains the same but the viewership numbers have clearly been unfairly doctored.

Loose Change appears in the featured video section of Google Video on almost every visit to the website because of its immeasurable viral impact and we are delighted for Dylan Avery and the rest of his crew that such a dynamic film is reaching tens of millions of people.

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Its viewership figures have not been reset and continue to multiply, along with other popular truth movement films such as 9/11 Mysteries: Demolitions. Google's alleged "mistake" only seems to apply to Terror Storm and no other video.



From past behavior and clear evidence of statistical manipulation, it is reasonable to conclude that an executive level decision has been made to artificially trim the numbers for Terror Storm and prevent it from becoming an underground blockbuster.

Such a policy would not come as a surprise as we have consistently run into censorship issues with Google.

During our Charlie Sheen coverage, Google intentionally blocked news stories pertaining to Sheen's comments which were first made on the Alex Jones Show and turned into a nationwide media spectacle.

Even after the story had gone supernova, and our original write-up had been linked all over the web, including the Drudge Report, Google's main search engine did not list the article.

After we blew the whistle on this act of censorship, the story was re-listed and Google even began carrying some of our content in their news section - a practice that has now also ceased.

Google's penchant for abandoning their founding principle of "don't be evil" and kissing up to Communist China for privileged access into the world's biggest untapped Internet market, was exemplified in February this when Google completely erased the Space War website from its search engine. Space War is a large mainstream news website that carries articles about geopolitics and the defense industry from AFP.

Space War speculated that it was their reporting on advancements in China's military technology and missile programs that provoked a censorship order from the totalitarian Chinese government which Google acted upon. Again, after a mass e mailing campaign which we fully supported, Google re-indexed the Space War website.

Please e mail Google and ask them why they keep trimming the viewership figures for Terror Storm. Demand an answer as to why they are unfairly blocking Terror Storm from reaching large numbers of people. We appreciate the great service that Google Video provides for free but what are they so afraid of that they would deliberately alter viewership totals and suppress the impact of this movie?
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Was'nt BAWONI , Dangermouses nemisis---Si BARONI?

Ba, are you a member of the BNP?

What is the bnp? Are your parents asian/ freddie? Nothing to be ashamed orf?

Crime Editor
October 05, 2006

THE decision to excuse a Muslim cop from guarding the Israeli Embassy was last night branded the beginning of the end for British policing.

PC Alexander Omar Basha told chiefs he was unable to carry out duties at the London embassy a top terror target due to moral grounds after Israeli bombings in Lebanon.

Top brass granted his request last week, but Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair last night ordered an immediate inquiry after our story broke. He said: Having learned of this issue I have asked for an urgent review of the situation and a full report.

Critics slammed the decision. Ex-Met Flying Squad commander John OConnor said: This is the beginning of the end for British policing.

If they can allow this, surely theyll have to accept a Jewish officer not wanting to work at an Islamic national embassy? Will Catholic cops be let off working at Protestant churches? Where will it end?

This decision is going to allow officers to act in a discriminating and racist way.





Mr OConnor added: When you join the police, you do so to provide a service to the public. If you cannot perform those duties, you leave.

The Metropolitan Police are setting a precedent they will come to bitterly regret. Top brass granted his wish as they were probably frightened of being accused of racism. But what theyve done is an insult to the Jewish community.

Another angry policeman said: This decision beggars belief. It goes against everything the police should stand for providing a service to the public no matter who they are.

PC Basha, attached to the Mets Diplomatic Protection Group, asked for special dispensation not to work at the embassy in Kensington Palace Gardens, Central London. The officer, in his late 20s, has taken part in recent anti-war protests.

The Israeli Embassy was attacked in 1994 by Palestinian fanatics with a 50lbs car bomb, injuring 19 and causing millions of pounds damage.

But one senior source said: PC Basha objected to the posting on moral grounds because of the Israeli bombing of Lebanon and the resulting civilian casualties of fellow Muslims.

Superintendent Dal Babu, chairman of the Association of Muslim Police said he had spoken to the officer concerned.

He said: What we need to do is just really put this entire issue in perspective. This is about the welfare of an individual and not about a moral issue.

"I think we are going down a very, very slippery road if we start having postings based on individual officers conscience.

As police officers we have to deal with some very, very difficult situations and we need to be objective and make sure that we police all members of the community fairly. We cant pick and choose.

FOLLOWING today's revelations in the Sun newspaper, Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair called for an urgent review of the decision.
He said: Having learned of this issue I have asked for an urgent review of the situation and a full report into the circumstances.

THE Israeli embassy said: The Embassy of Israel expresses its full confidence in the ability of the Metropolitan Police Force to provide the Embassy with maximum security, as well as its ability to deal with this sort of grave problem."

ANOTHER Muslim removed from the DPG after his security clearance was rejected is trying to sue the Met. Vetting revealed PC Amjad Farooq had a close acquaintance with alleged links to an extremist Islamic group.

And now we have the Googleplot!

It's not that nobody's watching this rubbish, it's because Google are fiddling the numbers.

A plot to conceal a plot. Exquisite.

On the policeman refusing a duty ...

Try substitution tests of different combinations of races, religion, etc ...

Dont mind who Barwoni is or from where he/she came. Always happy to give everyone's opinions some thoughts, time and energy permitting. As long as it is not abusive. There are usually bits of interesting nuggets of ideas. We learn nothing if there are no disagreements.

I have a friend who is a (now retired) officer in the Metropolitan Police.

White, male, middle-aged, some would describe him as an "old-fashioned copper". Fair-minded, decent sort.

He applied to join the Association of Black Police Officers. He was hauled up, asked what he was playing at. He said "well, they can join our Association, so why can't I join theirs? If they won't let me join, that would be discrimination against me because I'm white, wouldn't it?"

No coherent answer was forthcoming from any party.

The matter was never resolved, and my friend retired from the Force.

We'll have to disagree on this one, Tweenie.
Imagine the outcry had it been a White officer refusing to guard an African embassy in Protest at Nigeria or Zimbabwe. Or perhaps a white officer refusing his duties at an Islamic countrys embassy in protest at Islam. Or even a republican officer refusing to aid the royal protection.
The list is endless and I doubt a single one of them would receive a hint of sympathy from any of the media or public at large.

Barwoni,

IMO, very few of those 4,000 terrorists killed (I heard very different figures from other sources) are of clear and lethal threat to the UK public. I suspect most of them probably just want us out of their land.

If time and history took a different twist and UK are occupied by Iraq, then I could easily see several million Brits "terrorists" taking up arms. Would it be any different if Germany won the war?

Some people may smile at my concerns, however unlikely but not impossible. What if
there are unrests, disasters or external threats close to home, far too great for the police to handle, and the troops cannot return to the UK on time???

axdpc:

But the British populace couldn't take up arms against an invader these days, as they have disarmed by their Government, unlike, say the U.S., Switzerland or most E.U. countries.

So there would be no effective armed resistance here.

MM, a very valid point. Unlike the case you mentioned, some most damaging and contemptible forms of discriminations and favourtisms are very covert and insidious indeed.