This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

Theories of migration traditionally distinguish between push factors and pull factors. Push factors refer primarily to the motive for emigration from the country of origin. In the case of economic migration (usually labour migration), differentials in wage rates are prominent. Poor individuals from less developed countries can have far higher standards of living in developed countries, than in their originating countries. Escape from poverty is a traditional push factor, the availability of jobs is the related pull factor. The migrants may wish to send remittances to their family. Natural disasters can amplify poverty-driven migration flows. This kind of migration may be illegal immigration in the destination country (emigration is also illegal in some countries, but not as controversial).

Emigration and immigration are sometimes implicit in a contract of employment: employees of multinational corporations, international non-governmental organisations and the diplomatic service can expect to work 'overseas'. They are often referred to as 'expatriates', and their conditions of employment are typically equal to or better than those applying in the host country (for similar work).

For some migrants, education is the primary pull factor (note that students on limited visas are often not defined as immigrants). Retirement migration from rich countries to lower-cost countries with better climate, is a new type of international migration. An example is immigration of retired British citizens to Spain. Some immigrants justify their drive to be in a different country for cultural or health related reasons, while young people from developed countries choose to migrate as a form of self expression towards the establishment or to satisfy their need to perceive directly other cultural environments.

Non-economic push factors include persecution (religious and otherwise), frequent abuse, bullying, oppression, ethnic cleansing and even genocide, and risks to civilians during war. Political motives traditionally motivate refugee flows - to escape dictatorship for instance.

Some migration is for personal reasons, based on a relationship (e.g. to be with family or a loved one). In a few cases, an individual may wish to emigrate to a new country, in a form of transferred patriotism. Evasion of criminal justice (e.g. avoiding arrest) is a (mostly negative) personal motivation.

Saturday, October 07, 2006

US - Muslim calls for renouncing Islamic teachings
Nice to hear it.

The guy seems to know what he's talking about.


Dr. Tawfik Hamid, an Egyptian physician, Islamic scholar and former extremist, is the author of The Roots of Jihad (www.rootsofjihad.org).



Speakout: Muslims must both denounce, renounce their violent hadiths
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Email this story | Print By Dr. Tawfik Hamid
October 6, 2006
Ayman al-Zawahri, al-Qaida's No. 2 man, leader, last month announced that Americans must choose: Convert to Islam or continue to receive acts of terror.
Al-Zawahri was reiterating a fundamental concept of Salafi Islamic teaching, the fountainhead of extremist thinking. Yet the authors of the American government's recent intelligence report on terrorism's spread seem not to have been listening.

Zawahri's threat is based on a saying of the Prophet Muhammad as written in Sahih Al-Buchary, a central book of Salafi Islamic teaching. This hadith, or fundamental concept, states: "I have been ordered by Allah to fight and kill all mankind until they say, 'No God except Allah and Muhammad is the prophet of Allah' (Hadith Sahih)."

Based on this hadith, early Muslims used the sword to spread Islam throughout the world. The same hadith inspires contemporary Islamic terror including this summer's thwarted London airplane explosions. Other rationales that terrorists use to justify terrorism - the Arab-Israeli conflict, America's involvement in Iraq - are simply useful propaganda cover stories, not the actual causes or goals of terrorists' actions.

Americans must be wary of political leaders who accept the propaganda explanations. To win the war on terror, America's leaders must recognize the powerful role of the Islamic religious principle of jihad, Islam's belief that it must conquer the world, which derives from the above hadith. Belief in jihad is what causes so many Muslims worldwide to cheer terrorist acts such as 9/11, European subway bombings, and Hezbollah and Hamas attacks against Israel.

Allowing jihadist teaching to continue is like allowing cancer cells to survive in a human body.

The human immune system demonstrates that nurturing normal cells and respecting their variance sustains life. A healthy body nourishes cell diversity. A healthy body politic, similarly, must value respect for different beliefs. At the same time, if an immune system shows any tolerance whatsoever for cancer cells, the latter will terminate that body's life. The immune system of a body politic must have a similar zero tolerance for beliefs that incite violence against its citizens.

Cancer can be overcome if an individual has a strong immune system that acts to triumph over the killer cells. Similarly, the cancerous teachings of Salafi Islam could become insignificant if the majority of Muslims were to vocally oppose them.

Unfortunately, however, the vast majority of Muslims, Islamic organizations and Islamic scholars have not publicly objected to these teachings. There have been no powerful Muslim demonstrations to denounce Osama bin Laden and not a single fatwa by top Islamic scholars or organizations to consider bin Laden an apostate - as was done to Salman Rushdie just for writing a novel.

Because the teachings continue, a significant proportion of the world's Muslims have become passive terrorists, peaceful citizens whose sympathy in their hearts and support with their purses enable terrorism's spread.

If Islamic scholars and organizations in America disapprove of jihadist teachings, they must speak out against them. Americans should consider Muslims to be moderates, and Islam a peaceful faith, only if, in English and in Arabic, Muslims clearly denounce their violent hadiths and strike them from the books that educate their next generation.

In addition to internal immune reactions, externally applied interventions also can destroy cancer cells. Like cancer-fighting chemotherapy, strongly applied military might can reduce large tumors. America eliminated al-Qaida training camps in Afghanistan, but the verdict is not yet in on whether Israel this past summer similarly decimated Hezbollah.

To conquer the metastases of extremist Islam, however, words may be the most potent weapons. Outspoken condemnation of the theological sources of terrorism by American intellectuals and politicians, reinforcing the self-examination of Muslims themselves, could make a vital difference.

Addressing the theological wellsprings of Islamic terrorist motivation is essential if America is to succeed in its war against terrorism. Pope Benedict XVI has begun leading the way. Neither political correctness nor Muslim outrage must be allowed to prevent further realistic talk about the religious underpinnings of Islamic violence. Otherwise Islamic teaching will continue to spread jihad's cancerous beliefs.



Dr. Tawfik Hamid, an Egyptian physician, Islamic scholar and former extremist, is the author of The Roots of Jihad (www.rootsofjihad.org). Hamid will be speaking in Denver at the University of Denver on Monday at 7:30 p.m. Tickets are $10 for adults and $5 for students.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006460631,00.html

http://eteraz.wordpress.com/2006/10/04/stand-against-women-stoned-to-death-you-apathetic-monsters/

~with N korea setting detonating a nuclear weapon...
why ain'nt this 'axis of evil' country being invaded?
Oh yeh the answers in the question.
Gotta love those politicians.

Niice one Sir Richard. War in Iraq exarcerbating our problems around the world, planning after the war was poor based on optimism, we should get out soon.

Teacher Suspended For Wearing Veil Friday October 13, 11:54 AM

A Muslim teaching assistant has been suspended for refusing to remove her veil in the classroom. Aishah Azmi was given permission to wear the item in corridors and the school staff room but told to take it off when in class.

Education officials say pupils - many of whom speak English as a second language - struggled to understand the 24-year-old.

It did not help that they could not see her mouth move.

But Miss Azmi insisted on keeping the veil down and is now taking her employers

to an industrial tribunal.

A spokesman for Kirklees Council said: "I can confirm she has been suspended.

"The matter has gone before an employment tribunal and we are waiting for the result. It would be inappropriate to comment further."

It is understood Miss Azmi worked as a bilingual support worker at Headfield Church of England junior school in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire.

The school has 529 pupils and face-to-face contact is considered essential.

A council source told the Daily Mirror that children had complained about the veil.

Muslim leaders said Miss Azmi did not have to wear a veil in the presence of young children, or even a headscarf.

Yes scrooge job done in Iraq, maybe Iran next, divide and conquer seems to be working in Iraq..........

Life is change. The number 13, and this day Friday the 13th reminds us of this fact.
Good old boys those masons!



However, few people realize that this day is considered an ill omen because of currencies and economics. Friday the 13th became famous for bad luck because of the Knights Templar.



An article in the Scotsman entitled “Knights Templar” by Diane Maclean explains this when it says:



The Knights Templar were a monastic military order formed during the 12th century European crusades to the Holy Land .



They were gifted land by pious aristocrats to finance their rapidly growing order. Their wealth grew as they developed commercial interests in mines, quarries and vineyards. They had a fleet that outshone the largest state. But what the Knights Templar did most was build. The classic round Templar church, founded on octagonal geometry, is still regarded as the most obvious example of their building, but many observers see Templar influence in the vast gothic outpouring that occurred throughout the next hundred years.



They set the gold and silver standard for coin weight, and introduced the "note of hand" – a kind of 12th century credit card. Christians at the time were not allowed to charge interest on money, but the Templars got round this by charging "rent". The order quickly became the richest bankers in Europe, lending to kings, princes and influential people across Europe .



King Philip IV of France (1268-1314) was one monarch among many who was heavily in debt to the Knights Templar. The death of the Pope gave the King an opportunity to bribe the incoming Catholic leader and initiate enquiries against the order. They were charged with heresy and on a Friday the 13th, in October 1307, Jacques de Molay, the Grand Master of the Knights Templar, and 60 of his senior knights were arrested in Paris . Across Europe thousands of Knights Templar were taken into custody. But when King Philip raided the Templar treasure house he found it empty and the fleet gone from Larochelle. You can read this article at http://heritage.scotsman.com/timelines.cfm?cid=1&id=41752005

Tweetiebird brain, read and learn!

The underground nuclear explosion North Korea carried out early Monday, Oct. 9, confronts US president George W. Bush with one problem that has run out of control and another, Irans nuclear program, which soon will.

The European-Russian-Chinese insistence on diplomacy with Iran no sanctions, no military action is close to reaching the same dead end as did the talks with North Korea conducted by the US, Japan, China, Russia and South Korea. The negotiators who condemn North Korea today were deaf to Kim Jong Ils assertions of intent. He used the time fruitfully to drive forward to target. Iran is not there yet - but Tehran is using the current climate of international passivity to race ahead to the point of no return.

As recently as late July, when North Korea tested its nuclear-capable Taepodong ballistic missiles which can reach Alaska, the Bush administration warned Pyongyang not to fire any more, else the American navy would be ordered to intercept them.

Washingtons response went no further than words.

China and Russia did their utmost to hold the United States back from a strong reaction including a military option to the Korean nuclear program, exactly as they are doing in Irans case. They have been successful. To further anesthetize Western concerns, intelligence sources in Moscow leaked word to the Western media Sunday, one day before the actual test, that Pyongyangs nuclear test was three months away and its announcement could be dismissed as a mere device to buy time.

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1218

The new head of our army has it right surely ... our armed forces have been given too much to do and also treated disgracefully .... Blair is so stupid that he can't see the world leaders are only interested in their OWN countries, the size of the armies of possible opponents, and are very happy to let him strutt harmlessly around.

Has anyone in our govt considered the size of the garrison actually in the UK at any given time and the fact that there are 2 million apparently hostile muslims in situ ..

.. Someone please tell me I'm off my rocker. Tipton

"Blair is so stupid that he can't see the world leaders are only interested in their OWN countries".

Wrong. I think Blair is so vain that he is only interested in himself and his own legacy.

Way back there was discourse about suicide bombers and it started me "thinking".

Are those who send the bombers on their "missions" any more despicable than the those who lie their way into wars and then send the sons of daughters of others into wars in Afghanistan and Iraq without exposing themselves or families to similar dangers?

And even then not having the decency to admit they lied and are incompetent and resign.

Queens shilling my son, when you take that you send yourself! Big plan is working keeping those islamic ragheads busy fighting amongst themselves........

The Real 2006
'Iraq Body Count'

Iraqi civilians killed this year by ISLAMIC Terrorists
10,349

Iraqi civilians killed collaterally by Americans
71*


Current: Muslim extremists in Iraq kidnapped a Christian priest and cut off his head on Wednesday. The Religion of Peace also crucified a 14-year-old boy. Meanwhile, CAIR's top concern is that a Florida preacher has called Islam a "dangerous religion."

Current: The Salem witch trials have been brought up to us twice this week by those attempting to reduce other religions to Islam (in this case, Christianity). In our opinion, the mere fact that one has to reach back over 300 years to find an event in which less than twenty innocents lost their lives to Christian fanaticism would appear to mitigate the point.

Islamic terrorists killed twice as many people each day for the last three months on average than were murdered at Salem in 1692. We aren't aware of any Biblical mandate to kill witches, although there are plenty of Qur'anic exhortations to kill unbelievers... and, unfortunately, plenty of people who take them literally.

Fred....... I stand corrected you are absolutely right Blair is only interested in himself, he actually seems to think he will be remembered as a great statesman!

I feel sorry for BLAIR.
I think He honestly believed he was acting in best interests of Iraqi people.
Unfortunately we went to war on a myth (WMD's) - that did'nt exist.
We had no exit stratergy and we were partnered with the USA, who historically have a habit of jumping in wityh their eyes shut , guns abazings and gobs in overdrive.
Mr Bush has tried ineptly to link Al-qaeda to IRAQ in almost every speech he has done and has tried his best to convince the american people that the SADDAM regime was somehow linked to 9-11. Unfortunately he's come unstuck and we are now paying a very heavy price for his administrations incompetance.
We should have gone into AFGANISTAN with more resources and kicked shit/reformed country completely before moving on , not tried a half arsed attempt at boosting his koudos back home by finishing work started by his daddy.
Now what do we do?
What about N KOREA?
What about IRAN?
We are/have been F@@KED.
Guess the advice he got from GOD was flawed.

Mr Bush has tried ineptly to link Al-qaeda to IRAQ...........LOL

Back to the prayer mat for you tweetie!

When you walk through a bad neighborhood, you don't want a poodle by your side. You want a Rottweiler." Go on George and Tony........

O you who believe! Fasting is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you, that you may become pious

Out for some din dins with Sharma, she will be dining on Black sausage pudding esta noche......

Barwoni, One of the things I am very grateful for, is that I am not your son!

Behave grandad, no need to get abusive with me because you live in the midlands.....Cesspit....

No one of you is a true believer until he likes for his brother what he likes for himself

Barwoni, again you seem to be on dangerous ground.
Keep on digging.

Bawoni. please feel free to divulge a link between Al Q and Iraq pre 9-11 or at time of 9-11.

as for getting on my mat...... You obviously don't pay much attention to other peoples posts, I don't believe in A GOD. I'll leave that to narrow minded biggots like yourself, who feel it necessary to blame others for the evil that men do. There ain't no allah, jehovah, buddah,god , jesus or holy ghost.
So crawl back into your god bothering masonic haven in whatever 3'rd world hovel you call home.
;-)))))

Minister says veil teacher should be sacked Sunday October 15, 11:26 AM

LONDON (Reuters) - The minister responsible for race and faith called on Sunday for a Muslim teaching assistant suspended for wearing a veil to be sacked, entering a growing row over integration.

Minister for Local Government and Community Cohesion Phil Woolas told the Sunday Mirror that 24-year-old Aishah Azmi's decision to wear a veil while teaching made it impossible for her to perform her duties.


"She should be sacked. She has put herself in a position where she can't do her job," he said.