Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Thing is at last TM seems to have got the message that 52%+ of the people will back her to the hilt if she stands fast and makes Brexit mean Brexit with a Clean Break.

In fact I think she will see off JC with his Cabbage Ears to his Veg Garden for good, as Team Labour will turn on him after 29 March.

starting from the premise that country voted to leave eu and that is what needs to be delivered in some format, i have read a story that suggests TM will ask parliament to vote on all sorts of variations to her deal that have been requested - but probably not 2nd referendum

the purpose would be to make MP's stand up and be counted for their own ideas, instead of just opposing, and to show that none of the alternatives commands a majority, leaving (she hopes) her own deal as the only one left standing

the above may all be garbage and misinformation of course

Stan,

Don't worry about Georgie, consider him as really a little darling in disguise.

The problem with the border with Ireland will still remain, deal or no deal with the EU, so that has to be sorted out. If it can be then a major obstacle with the current EU deal will have been removed.
Interesting to note that in future EU citizens, not already with settled status, will need to be on jobs paying more than £30k to work in the UK. I wonder what rules will apply to non EU migrants.

Any of the gammon on here called Robert?

:o)

A caller to James O’Brien’s radio show has claimed he voted for Leave so that he can continue to use three-pin plugs in the UK.

Robert from Rochester called the LBC radio phone-in programme to give his verdict on a second referendum.

However when it came to asking why the caller was so incensed on ensuring the UK leaves the European Union, he was struggling to explain the benefits.

“I won a slap in the government’s face...” he said, before O’Brien pointed out that government had now gone.

The caller continued: “I won a vote to Leave the EU.”

As he continued to bluster, the only tangible benefit he could name was that we would be able to continue to use three-pin plugs.

“One of the ones for me is the plug system... we obviously use the three-pin in this country. The EU don’t,” Robert told O’Brien.

“So basically it means our safety aspects are a lot stronger than the generalisation of the EU.”

A baffled O’Brien pointed out we are still in the EU already - and we still have three-pin plugs.

“So you think we have to leave the EU to get three-pin plugs? What can we do now with plugs that we can’t do as members – what did you win?”

“Compliancy to British law,” Robert responds. “So when you bring something into this country, it has to comply to the UK.”

“That what happens already – that’s why we’ve got three-pinned plugs!” said the exasperated presenter.

Concluding the call, O’Brien told Robert: “You’ve come live on national radio. You’ve described yourself as a Brexiteer, you’re getting told off by your mum in the background, and when I’ve asked you what you think you’ve won, you said the right to three-pin plugs that we already have.”

Let Ireland build a hard border if they want one, otherwise make no changes - as face recognition can be used at all ports that service the Mainland, and leave anyone that is considered undesirable in N.I. effectivly free movement in the whole of Ireland. Problem Solved. :-)

Manuel.

cynic Send an email to cynic View cynic's profile - 18 Dec 2018 08:36 - 10941 of 10968
i find it curious or even pathetic that corbyn lacks the balls to go for a NCV aginst the gov't but picks the relatively minor target of TM

Perhaps, unlike you, he is not so boneheaded to try using it to knock his head up a brick wall.

Wait and see, he may not need to attempt a NCV, as the majority of the parliamentary con artists are against Brexit, No deal Brexit and many transferring their votes to having another referendum.

That will split the tories.

Also, have a look at what JC said about staying in or leaving the EU. (7 out of 10 for staying in. Indicating that it was better to stay in the EU and amend RRLs)

Also, have a look at Corbyn's voting patterns over the last 20 or so years.

Must admit, I would differ slightly but appreciate his general stances and apparent moral judgements.

At least he thinks before he jumps.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10133/jeremy_corbyn/islington_north/votes

CT - this irish border problem relates primarily to business and speedy border crossings and not really to do with individuals ....... an electronic border has been suggested, but the problem there is that no such system currently exists ..... for all that, i find it extraordinary that what looks very simple to the layman is proving a massive headache to those trying to sort it

10941 - fred loved his witty post so much (though no one else seems to have cared) that he just had to post it a second time

cynic - it would start to worry the Irish if they could only travel freely around N.I but would get stopped from getting on a boat or plane to the Mainland.

The outsiders getting more and more... well outside themselves 😁

Irish border problem is an EU problem not ours.

Hils , ok I give up we should stay in because of 1 dickhead out of 34 million who voted in the referendum.

At , straws , clutching ..... rearrange :-)

Happy days.

Just like God and Burnley the UK ain’t going anywhere... thank you and goodnight flower 💐 😜

from today's guardian .....

The five business organisations – the CBI, Institute of Directors, British Chambers of Commerce, Federation of Small Businesses and the manufacturing body EEF – said they were horrified by the infighting at Westminster that has seen a meaningful vote on the prime minister’s plan delayed until the middle of next month.

Their statement will strengthen Downing Street’s case that MPs must accept the prime minister’s deal in the new year or face potential economic chaos.

“The responsibility to find a way forward now rests directly with 650 MPs in parliament,” the business groups’ statement said.

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exactly so!

The 1st Informed referendum is the only responsible way forward now, after the last 2 1/2 years of time and money wasted by your useless good for nothing excuse for a responsible goverment!

potentially a very good game wrecked by overpaid prima donnas

Thats your government your talking about is it ... at last I think you've got it 😂

stupid boy Pike!

..Yes I think you probably are 😎

You do realise it's your government too Stan.