Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Any of the gammon on here called Robert?

:o)

A caller to James O’Brien’s radio show has claimed he voted for Leave so that he can continue to use three-pin plugs in the UK.

Robert from Rochester called the LBC radio phone-in programme to give his verdict on a second referendum.

However when it came to asking why the caller was so incensed on ensuring the UK leaves the European Union, he was struggling to explain the benefits.

“I won a slap in the government’s face...” he said, before O’Brien pointed out that government had now gone.

The caller continued: “I won a vote to Leave the EU.”

As he continued to bluster, the only tangible benefit he could name was that we would be able to continue to use three-pin plugs.

“One of the ones for me is the plug system... we obviously use the three-pin in this country. The EU don’t,” Robert told O’Brien.

“So basically it means our safety aspects are a lot stronger than the generalisation of the EU.”

A baffled O’Brien pointed out we are still in the EU already - and we still have three-pin plugs.

“So you think we have to leave the EU to get three-pin plugs? What can we do now with plugs that we can’t do as members – what did you win?”

“Compliancy to British law,” Robert responds. “So when you bring something into this country, it has to comply to the UK.”

“That what happens already – that’s why we’ve got three-pinned plugs!” said the exasperated presenter.

Concluding the call, O’Brien told Robert: “You’ve come live on national radio. You’ve described yourself as a Brexiteer, you’re getting told off by your mum in the background, and when I’ve asked you what you think you’ve won, you said the right to three-pin plugs that we already have.”

Let Ireland build a hard border if they want one, otherwise make no changes - as face recognition can be used at all ports that service the Mainland, and leave anyone that is considered undesirable in N.I. effectivly free movement in the whole of Ireland. Problem Solved. :-)

Manuel.

cynic Send an email to cynic View cynic's profile - 18 Dec 2018 08:36 - 10941 of 10968
i find it curious or even pathetic that corbyn lacks the balls to go for a NCV aginst the gov't but picks the relatively minor target of TM

Perhaps, unlike you, he is not so boneheaded to try using it to knock his head up a brick wall.

Wait and see, he may not need to attempt a NCV, as the majority of the parliamentary con artists are against Brexit, No deal Brexit and many transferring their votes to having another referendum.

That will split the tories.

Also, have a look at what JC said about staying in or leaving the EU. (7 out of 10 for staying in. Indicating that it was better to stay in the EU and amend RRLs)

Also, have a look at Corbyn's voting patterns over the last 20 or so years.

Must admit, I would differ slightly but appreciate his general stances and apparent moral judgements.

At least he thinks before he jumps.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10133/jeremy_corbyn/islington_north/votes

CT - this irish border problem relates primarily to business and speedy border crossings and not really to do with individuals ....... an electronic border has been suggested, but the problem there is that no such system currently exists ..... for all that, i find it extraordinary that what looks very simple to the layman is proving a massive headache to those trying to sort it

10941 - fred loved his witty post so much (though no one else seems to have cared) that he just had to post it a second time

cynic - it would start to worry the Irish if they could only travel freely around N.I but would get stopped from getting on a boat or plane to the Mainland.

The outsiders getting more and more... well outside themselves 😁

Irish border problem is an EU problem not ours.

Hils , ok I give up we should stay in because of 1 dickhead out of 34 million who voted in the referendum.

At , straws , clutching ..... rearrange :-)

Happy days.

Just like God and Burnley the UK ain’t going anywhere... thank you and goodnight flower 💐 😜

from today's guardian .....

The five business organisations – the CBI, Institute of Directors, British Chambers of Commerce, Federation of Small Businesses and the manufacturing body EEF – said they were horrified by the infighting at Westminster that has seen a meaningful vote on the prime minister’s plan delayed until the middle of next month.

Their statement will strengthen Downing Street’s case that MPs must accept the prime minister’s deal in the new year or face potential economic chaos.

“The responsibility to find a way forward now rests directly with 650 MPs in parliament,” the business groups’ statement said.

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exactly so!

The 1st Informed referendum is the only responsible way forward now, after the last 2 1/2 years of time and money wasted by your useless good for nothing excuse for a responsible goverment!

potentially a very good game wrecked by overpaid prima donnas

Thats your government your talking about is it ... at last I think you've got it 😂

stupid boy Pike!

..Yes I think you probably are 😎

You do realise it's your government too Stan.

Interesting.

Didn't realise that we had a government!

Do you mean the oligarchy of incompetents squatting in Downing Street?

Don't need to rearrange any sentences, thanks anyway Dilbert.

Brexit's gonna be cancelled,doncha know? Mainly because there are shedloads of dickheads like Robert from Rochester, and Parliament will step in to fix it so they can all keep their three-pin plugs.

:o)

With exactly 100 days to go to the scheduled date of Brexit, supporters of a People’s Vote have warned of crisis unless the correct path is found through the current uncertainty.

Labour’s David Lammy said the prime minister was heading for “disaster” from which neither she nor her party would recover if she tried to dodge growing pressure for a People’s Vote, and allowed the clock to run down to a no-deal Brexit on March 29 2019.

Their comments came as campaigners released new analysis of polling which they said showed increased support for a second referendum in every part of the country - including the constituencies of the prime minister and leading Brexiteer Boris Johnson.

Best for Britain said its data modelling suggested that support for remaining in the EU was running as high as 56% against 44% for leaving - a larger margin than has been seen in any mainstream poll since the 2016 referendum.

Lammy, a supporter of Best for Britain, said that May had to confront the fact that there was no majority in Parliament for the deal she has negotiated with Brussels, or for any other proposed deal, such as Norway-style single market membership or a Canada-plus free trade agreement.

If there was no second referendum, the next most likely outcome was departure without a deal - even though there is “certainly” no majority in Parliament for that - he said.

“The political confusion amounts to a constitutional crisis,” said Lammy.

He said it would be “futile” for MPs to express their preferences on alternative deals in an “indicative vote”, as this would simply eat up more time without producing a decisive result.

“I believe that politics is stuck and when politics and the political establishment is stuck, in our system the only way to unlock it is to go back to the people in the hope that we get a clear instruction from the British population,” he said.

While that could be done through a general election, a clearer route would be a second EU referendum.

“The pressure that Theresa May is under as of today is to understand what is the best Plan B,” said Lammy.

“There are lots of people, including in her own party, advising her that the best Plan B is a second referendum.

“It may be her instinct to run down the clock to get to a no-deal Brexit, which I think would be a disaster that I don’t think she or the Conservatives would recover from.

“It would leave the country badly, badly, badly divided and in a chaotic state.”

Lammy said he believed that 100 days from now, Britain would have secured an extension of Article 50 and be preparing for a second vote, possibly in June. And he said he and other Remain campaigners should accept the result of a new referendum as definitive.

“I feel the public are way more informed than they were previously and therefore it is incumbent on all of us to absolutely get behind whatever the instruction is from the British people at the end of a second referendum.”

Tory former cabinet minister Nicky Morgan said MPs would have to decide whether to stay “stuck in their own views” or “compromise sufficiently” in the coming weeks.

She said there would be an “almighty battle between Parliament and government” if May’s deal fails to pass the Commons, and warned that a no-deal outcome would be “deeply, deeply damaging” to the country, economy and people’s financial prosperity.

And she said: “I think eventually Parliament is going to have to decide, MPs on all sides are going to have to decide whether they’re going to stay stuck in their own views or whether they are prepared to compromise sufficiently to find a majority around a position which delivers the referendum result but does it with a soft Brexit.”

With Lammy and Morgan, you have chosen the remainer equivalents of the man from Rochester, Hilary. Now add Fred and Stan and you will have a barbershop quartet.