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EWRobson

Good rational and well-balanced post. Pity a few more do not follow your example.

The oily one

Mad Pad Hi,

You got the bashers into thinking they can scare us, that's about all there is to it ....

Cheers,
PM

And one more for luck ....

The Directors expect to use Biotec's film in relation to InGel Technologies
Limited ('InGel'), the Company's joint venture with Cardinal Health 409, Inc.
which was established to commercialise Stanelco's soft edible capsule making
technology. Interaction between Biotec and other parts of the Group has already
led to significant new patentable inventions and the pilot launch of a new
thermoplastic material marketed under its current name, Starpol 2000. Starpol
2000 has many potential uses including food packaging and can be processed on
conventional packaging machinery and does not therefore require major capital
investment by packagers converting to its use. Sample product has been
manufactured and discussions have commenced with major food retailers. Early
indications in the food rigid tray area suggest that Starpol 2000 will be able
to significantly undercut the price of polyester (in particular APET, used in
clear trays, and crystalline polyethylene terephthalate ('CPET') which is used
for microwaveable trays) whilst also providing the necessary gas barrier for
MAP. Starpol 2000 is certified biocompostable to the relevant standard on
packaging recovery through composting and biodegradation by DIN CERTCO GmbH,
the certification organisation of the German Institute for Standardisation.

KingKong Nice thoughts re early return to the 28p to 30p level. But look at the measures of momentum. There needs to be very significant return of buying volume even to arrest the decline. Having said that, there are two events that could cause a significant bounce off the support level: one would be a significant Greenseal deal in the US, probably Walmart (I have cautioned just above that this unlikely for several weeks anyway interpreting the last SEO RNS) and an awareness that Starpol is on its own say worth 10p on the sp - but that means around 10M pounds and appears beyond reasonable expectation.

Eric

Eric,

Fair point. I'm still of the belief that we will see a return of 30p max by year end, providing the so called bigger deals become apparent. For those suggesting anymore, I personally think that you really need to take a trek in the jungle!!!!! As momentum builds for next year then it may be prudent to suggest a much higher sp.

IMHO

Kong

Personally. I hope the share price stays low until after the 20th, which is pay day for moi. So I can invest some more monies in this company.
I'm in for the long haul.
I origonally brought at 5p ish and have steadily increased my holding over the past few months.
I can't see what all the negativeness is about.I can however see where all the hype is comeing from-which does'nt help the underlying story.
So they have'nt made millions already, did you honestly believe it was going to be an overnight success? in retail? in FOOD packaging- with all the stringent controls?
ASDA have taken the initiative and seem happy . 200 machines , is a good start.
ASDA is owned by WALMART. Why would'nt WALMART take up greenseal? Can someone please answer that. It would be like trialing a new gun for your army, saying its brilliant and cheaper, then refusing to give it to the rest of your troops. IT MAKES NO SENSE.
If someone has a good argument for why WALLMART will never take up greenseal then please post it.

tweenie

Problem appears to be that although Asda asked for trials to be done none of the suppliers want to pay for it, this leads me to think the cost saving stuff was a red herring thrown up by Stanelco to push the product.

IF it really was so brilliant and cost effective the suppliers would have bent over backwards to get it, remember ABP, GRAMPIAN, REISER and Ferndale all trialed it but not one order came on the back of it. If you can tell me one good reason why they never took rf sealing on then please feel free to post.

PS Walmart are a supermarket not a ready meals supplier.

Masterson

Why do you continue to claim you don't read my posts?

Yet again you've answered one of my questions.

Amities ..l guess it wouldnt be the first time KK for mms to walk a stock down ,,lol But this situation is due to a simple massive overhang of stock which mms are finding difficult in disposing without revealing thier hand ..We are talking in terms of tens of millions here; and with seos volume today of a tad more than 2 million { 75% buys )this process will inevitably take time .But somebody is selling heavily behind the scenes ...l am writing to thier registrars and seretary to see if a principal trade has been closed recently ..On a positive note for you investors . 99% of traders have deserted this stock ; and thus will avoid the stock until it is digested. Time is needed; but sadly time is not a variable SEO have on thier side . ....... l suspect in a few days 14.25 will form the level of resistance and not NOT support . ,,,,,,,Even if the Walmart dream does occur l still feel short term SEO will visit the pre 10p level . But good luck to them anyway . Excellent product but lack TRUE market appreciation > Big players dont understand most of this packaging jargon and as such perceive it as quite scarey ......One day perhaps ,,,,,a/b @+ J

Tweenie Hi,

I have been researching Stanelco most evenings and weekends for the last 3.5 years, and I can't think of a reason :)

And then there is the rest of the retail industry, I can't see them not going for it either.

And Starpol 2000 is now cheaper than petro-plastic, and it is a great bariier for MAP packaging, regardless of the several other benefits, I cannot see Wal-Mart et al not buying that to go with the Greenseal, and I'm sure anyone who asks anyone at HQ will get the same answer .... there is no 'if' .... it's just 'when' :)

Cheers,
PM

Shamona

You state categorically that the food packagers have found this too expensive. How do you know this? Do you have irrefutable proof to this effect?

To convert from one system to another, takes planning, especially if a packager works for several retailers.

And there is also the small matter of budgets and financial years. Some may be delaying conversion until their budgets allow it.

With new technology, there is often a resistence to change factor that delays decisions. Take the advent of the mobile phone and the initial resistence to that as an example. Now look at the market. It will take time, but it WILL happen.

The above some of the more obvious reasons and there are probably many more I can think of.

The oily one

Amities / Bos .You were right as regarding the money being in the bank . l phoned them up to check the validity of PM s comments...... but couldnt get though as they hadnt paid thier last phone bill . EW ..Me ? an extreme trader ? .To be honest i am being more than kind to them . lf a junior oil company fed the market the calibre of junk SEO does they would be slaughtered

TFC

Do you know for certain, that there is a "tens of millions of shares" overhang that the market makers are trying to move? Or are you just assuming that from the trades. Do you have level 2?

The oily one

Of course i do....and something even better - a brain .....

lol

shamona, re: microwaveabilty of greenseal.......i have to say that was a very cheap shot. for someone who claims to know seo better than anyone here, that was hardly a well researched comment.

"Major steps are also being made in both Europe and North America towards the commercialisation of a number of projects, particularly those involving Biotec's materials and Stanelco intends to update the market with these developments shortly."

Enough said.

bosley

Re your post 11013 above, I agree.

The oily one

I have no expertise in tray sealing technology, but if I was asked to test RF sealed trays of the ready meal type whats the most obvious thing to test, er will it microwave without a problem. It's hardly rocket science, so no doubt its been tested to the ultimate for any conceivable way it would be used by the customer.
Can anyone possibly see the scenario of RF sealing failing the microwave test and the Asda technicians all sitting round saying to each other, now why did'nt we think of that. As Homer Simpson would say, "Doh".

I see from other peoples posts that the sham is still posting lies and total drivel .... too expensive my arse !!!!


Worst case scenario for companies using heat sealing instead of RF

Anglo Beef Processors
20 plants, each producing around 600,000 retail packs per week
Loses 360,000 packs a year at 3% loss, plus 45 fine per pack is 16,200,000 in fines

Oscar Mayer
Over 3 million ready meals a year
Loses 90,000 packs a year at 3% loss, plus 45 fine per pack is 4,050,000 in fines

Hazlewoods
Package 80,000,000 ready meals a year
Loses 2,400,000 packs a year at 3% loss, plus 45 fine per pack is 108,000,000 in fines

Northern foods
Package more ready meals per year than Hazlewoods
Loses a minimum of 2,400,000 packs a year at 3% loss, plus 45 fine per pack is 108,000,000 in fines also as a minimum


Grampian
500 machines tens of millions of packages per year
Loses shed loads too, in packages and costs !!!!



Asda cites the case of one supplier which produces 1m trays of meat per week and typically receives 1,800 complaints. Handling all this work creates a serious cost.

1800 duff packets, with a fine of 45 is 81,000 PER WEEK LOST .... EASILY PAYS FOR TRAY LIDDING AT 35,000 PER MACHINE DOESN'T IT !!!!