The 2005 general election is nearly upon us. Which way will you vote, and you reasons why. Here is a brief list of the potential contestants, please add your own.


More tax!
Less tax!
Dont know!
Death to all infidels!
Who gives a shit?

The great pretender.

There all tossers. Nothing to choose between them. They'll tell you want you want to hear to get in and then do exactly what they want. We live in a democratic dictatorship. We're all thick, don't know anything and will do what we're told. Peasants that's us the masses. Me, the only vote I'll make is a very big "V" (that's a Winston) to the lot of them.

MS

apple.
I'll go along with a local tax.

Many a pundit said we would suffer with Labours massive majority.....it's happened alright. Some crank with a red tie dreams up something and it's law next day. Through on the nod.
Thank god they didn't completely emasculate the Lords. It would be even worse.

stabdber

You've just described a Democratic Dictatorship.

MS

I think they should put the House of Lords up as a party for election. The only defenders of democracy in Parliament. I'll vote for them.

MS
Democracy: The least worse system.
It is employed from as lowly as the local dart team, through Local Gov to National Gov. There is no other equitable way.
Many people have died fighting for it. The least we can hope is that we do not elect someone who decides to become a dictator. Mugabe.....fancy him?
A strong Upper House is our salvation.

Country going down the pan with the aid of europe (due to stupid rules and billions wasted mainly in fraud). The constant scaremongering, terrorist attack, bird flu, Jordon singing in the eurovision song contest, we are not really going to fall these age old ways of divide and rule are we??

An unelected upper house. There by birth, someone's mate or what ever. You don't elect them nor can you get rid of them. Is Blair, Thatcher or who ever any less of a Dictator the Mugabe. The only difference as I see it is that they are a bit more suttle about how they go about it. Dark forces are at work in this county just as they are elsewhere. Dictators don't listen. Sound familiar.

MS

We certainly dont want the Torries back in. Wasted the majority of North Sea Oil revenues on paying for unemployment which they wanted.

Remember they only look after the top 10% of society, dont let 'the jobsworths and two bob millionaires' of this world tell you anything else. Remember the chain gangs when Thatcher was in power, 1 job vacancy for every 100 unemployed.

Young men and women in chain gangs doing the jobs that the likes of Mears and Enterprise do now. Gangs on city centre street corners hanging about doing nothing.

The torries want it all back truth be known.

I agree. GF for PM. Got my vote.
My view Thatcher was a disaster for this county.

MS

sir bob gelof for PM!!!!!! What great job he would do!!, long as he promises not to sing.

Thatcher did not get rid of the miners.........the miners did. Greed.

And what has Bliar done? Put umpteen thousnds into Government employ. Don't forget, after six month they cannot be sacked. Think of all them copper bottomed pensions that will have to paid for. Not from their ranks but from the productive jobs in private hands. Brown has filched billions of pension fund money from the private sector. Tax and spend, the Socialist way.
Don't forget the burgeoning legions of 'Incapacity' claimants.
Get preggers, get a flat! School children getting 30 to go to school.
Where does all that binge drink money come from? Please tell me.
The catalogue of ineptitude is endless. And who will have to clear up the mess?
Not Bliar. He will soon be having a despised title. Lord Bliar of Bollockdrop.

Thatcher was a menace and should be put on a war crimes tribunal for the sinking of the Belgrano, argies out of the zone and running away, undeniable. B'liar and bush should follow them in. How caN THEY TALK ABOUT DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM AND ACT LIKE THEY DO.

Kivver

Your absolutely right, can't add anymore to that.

standber

I was wondering if you'd get to the miners. It wasn't greed that caused the strike. It was ordinary hard working men fighting to save there jobs and there way of life, and to give them a decent standard of living for their families. It turned father against son, brother against brother and neighbour against neighbour. Whole communities were turned against each other with the effects still being felt today. Everything Scargill predicted happened. The hardship those proud communities went through to try and keep there jobs was huge. They were demonized by the right wing press that thought Thatcher was wonderful and their ranks were infiltrated by plain clothes police and army trying to making them look worse. Dark forces were at work. And where is the mining industry today, totally defunct. Ordinary people fighting for what they considered their right..a decent life. Not too much to ask for was it.
And today we have Blair, who wouldn't listen to the voices of 1 million britons, so determined was he to have his war. No one kills in my name, no sir, trying to say it's in my countries best interest, bollocks. Are we safer now, well you tell me.
That's it I'm off the soap box now.

MS

They were brave men led by a donkey!! The coal piled higher and higher because nobody would buy it at a price which would keep those men's wages paid we were importing coal at less than half the price it cost to produce ours MT stood firm against foolish ideas that we could continue to prop up an ailing industry. It was heart breaking to watch and yes there were dark forces at work nothing to do with the poor miners just hell bent on causing maximum trouble for our country!
Think about it a lot of those people are now in the new clean healthy industries attracted to the areas by gov subsidies etc. Would any of you really want your children to work down a pit in this day and age ?? The fear of change led to the inevitable and MT had more guts and integrity than anyone up there these days---load of self seeking worms never prepared to face up to their messes and resign- the list is endless- they just smarm and pass the buck!! Middle England is picking up the bill for all the benefits,credits and gov. millions employed in one quango after another plus Prescotts 5 star trips to keep him busy doing nothing.
I'm happy I'm nearly at the end of my working life as red tape and the burdens loaded on my business while I'm sympathetic to some of them are driving jobs out of the door and as for training places forget it-just can't afford it any more. We're going to hell in a hand cart if this lot get in again!
sorry for the rant-you guys set me off!

A lot of what you say is true and makes sence. Its just the way she went about it. If she was in the wizard of oz she would be the Tin Man. She was heartless! I agree about these money eating quangos and red tape, you only have to look at the bottom of your letterbox every day. Its time a new party rose from the ashes that wants fairness and justice for all. A world where governments treat all thier citizens with respect. Its also time to face the problems, global warming, resources running low, immigration, and no 1 problem ironically greed.

micky.
I didn't bring Maggie into the argument, somebody else did.
Upon Nationalisation, all the miners were proud and fantastic. But they had taken over an industry that had been starved of money through the threat of being nationalised........and the managers spent like crazy. They asked for, and got, everything. Records fell by the week and the lads were earning good money. They were kings and rightly proud.
But time and tide move on. The old stalwarts retired to be replaced with those who had no 'esprit de corps' of the mining fraternity of the old days.
Times were good. So good that they could afford a few 'sickies' and still pick up a fair whack. So, to the Friday off they added the occaisional Monday.
This got to be common place. Output began to stagnate. The gov were in a cleft stick. The miners went on strike and Ted caved in and gave them more money in need for more coal. The miner was king.....but with a different face.
Maggie comes on the scene.
She gave in to their every demand. Good money, open book for overtime.
Coal streamed out of the pits and still the miners asked for more. But their greed clouded their eyes. Every power station was cramfull full of coal and every minehead the same. Coal was stored everywhere.
A deal was done with Poland, US and Australia. "Can we have coal if we ask for it?" Yes was the reply.
The scene was set. Maggie pulled the shutters down and the rest is history.
Scargill? An utter prat. He fought for his own reputation and wage packet.
With the miners gone he would have no power base. He went everywhere.
Even to Saltley coking and gas complex........and didn't see the stockpile of coal there. BUT HE HAD IGNORED THE OBVIOUS! The miners day had ended with oil being found.
If he had had a brain in his head, he would have accepted that coal could not compete. BUT HE COULD HAVE WOUND DOWN THE INDUSTRY TO THE MINERS ADVANTAGE.
Not him. He was too busy sucking up to Moscow. He suffered from the vapours.....vodka vapours.
moneyplus is right. No civilised nation should put men into stygian darkness, many feet underground, to earn a living. It's barbaric and I feel glad for those youths who, had history been different, would they themselves been doing that thankless task.
If you have read that book: 'The ragged trousered phillantropists' don't treat it as a bible. It isn't one but an excellent read nonetheless.

Those miners would gladly be underground now than on the pathetic soul destroying retraining garbage courses they were on and are still on and move on from one to another because theres nothing else well some of them are working on the check outs at Tescos. Talk about soul destroying.

Go into the Working Mens clubs of Barnsley and Doncaster and ask them what they feel about Thatcher and the liar Heseltine who said" no pits would be closed" but only 12 months later plans came out for the closing of 25 plus pits.

YOU JUST CANT TRUST THE TORYS.

GF. Dont forget Dracula was one of them, as he changed?????????????????, dont make me laugh. Its all about who you trust most at this election more than any other in the recent past I feel. And as for the Gulf war (right or wrong) there isnt a PM in this country who wouldnt have followed Bush in, so lets stop talking silly and get that one out of the way pronto.

thier all ----ing liars trust none
of them tax tax taxed to death
we do know what it feels like

HUSTLER - in spain in the not to distant future
if can sell buisiness without giving all the gains to
.gov out of kindness and of course being a Brit (only cap used
not educated )

gf
The lucky ones are those that got out before silicosis or pneumonicosis struck.

A tories aim is the country first and himself second.
A Labourites is himself first, Socialism second and f*** the country.
(Example? Prescott. Just look at him)

lol standber!



Keep it coming, it will make his lairdship turn in his benifits queue.



Regards to all from mananaland.


ps, I see that arsehole Gerry Adams is still leading the NL plonkers a merry dance. Is it that they are trully stupid, or so idealistic that they cant see he is laughing at them?


grrrrh!