Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

So you wouldn't stop a person drinking a poisonous liquid if he had misread the label.

Bloody daft.

The Brexit situation is in many ways analogous.

Policies are changed constantly.

Follow this government's actions.

You can pick and chose which ones you want.

If you call what May is doing by screeching her mantras constantly, ducking votes, delaying the public viewing of information to parliament democracy, good luck to you.

I value actions taken on informed opinion and advised judgement and not make-believe.

I suggest you try to understand the various motivations of those involved in the unions and strikes.

Certainly, many actions were stupid, often the result of frustration with their situation.

Could they have acted differently, yes, but often they would have been rebuffed or didn't know a better way of demonstrating discontent.

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You decry labour.

Go back and read post WW1 period and the improvements (including NHS. Welfare services etc. and supporting lousy worn-out industries.) If they hadn't then civil conflict might have happened.

Have a look at how the Infrastructure and health services were worn out after Thatcher and improved and reformed by Blair and compatriots. (I am no lover of Blair)

Have a look at the city's response to attempts to financial reforms suggested by the labour government before the crash. (Warnings were being given years before the collapse.)

Stop being blind to things which don't suit you.

All governments make mistakes, but they should also be prepared to admit them when they are recognised.

But the bases of decision making by this government is biased by what it sees as politically advantageous to itself and not necessarily the country's.

Brexit is too important for that.

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Martini.

For me, T M is a "bloody stupid" woman.

It is hardly misogynistic to recognise her sex.

Or would you prefer a "bloody stubborn woman"?

I would prefer he told the truth.

Are you a lip reader?

I would prefer less pantomime stupidity by a braying party of con artists and PM who were ducking their responsibilities and being contemptuous of parliamentary processes.

He was caught lying to the house and that is a cardinal error for a politician watch my lips.

You could be right or you could be wrong.

Either way, Stupid woman certainly came to the minds of your fellow tory supporters.

99 days to go..

Less for the 1st informed referendum.

lol , be so funny if they had a second referendum and the question was EU deal or no deal.

M, I've only seen the recording of Corby once and although it's clear he said stupid I wasn't convinced he said woman. This was before he claimed he had said people so can't say I was looking for that. I'll have to have another look today. Either way yesterday was another disaster for him.

George , well said.

More self importance rhetoric from the "Con" party https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46626967

in a way it's a silly row but in other ways not
i am sure a professional lip-reader could give a definitive answer despite the face fungus

Perhaps he nodded off and was dreaming about Allo-Allo...and then woke up...and thought chucklin' : "you stupid womaaann…".....

To be fair, I get called a stupid woman on almost daily basis. Cue Dilbert...

:o)

Perhaps you outsiders need to expand your minds/brains a bit more in general and concentrate on the important things in life...if thats possible.

More likely thinking of the dishonourable lady, the member for Peterborough. Look up her selection process and see how Liebour treasures the democratic process.

JC was just an idiot and only said what many believe but having lied about saying it makes him a laughing stock in the House.

Far to much being made of him uttering those words - he should have just admitted it and stood up like a man and said he was sorry for saying it in the House but being PC has gone to far.

CNC - Brown would have called you a Bigot I expect.

Andrea Leadsom now on side for a "managed no deal" putting herself in place for the top job.

More threats today from the EU club officials.

Is that Nebulous stupid woman from Peterborough?

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Fred's post 11004

You wrongly assume that I have not been involved in heavy industry, or strikes or visited such areas. As a young working man I worked bl--dy hard, sometimes taking on additional evening and weekend part-time work to make ends meet. The heavy industry (skilled) job I had often left me with some week left after the money ran out.

I didn't need to have guts to visit or ask those residents, I was one.


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Perhaps you needed a Union to try to improve you Working and Social conditions and rate of pay.

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Like much of your guesswork in post 11004 you are again wrong, I was a member of a union. Some union officials were ok but many were out for their own ends--the likes of Jack Dromey spring to mind.

Georgie,

I wouldn't have supposed in "those days" you weren't a member of a union, for any large employer it was almost obligatory for the workforce to be so

I remember being about the levy being taken out of my pay packets and complaining to my father who was "management" about it.

He pointed out to me the "protections and social improvements" the unions had made and the protection and help it might give to me if I had an "accident" etc.. He also pointed out some of the daftness of some of the union representatives.