This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006460631,00.html

http://eteraz.wordpress.com/2006/10/04/stand-against-women-stoned-to-death-you-apathetic-monsters/

~with N korea setting detonating a nuclear weapon...
why ain'nt this 'axis of evil' country being invaded?
Oh yeh the answers in the question.
Gotta love those politicians.

Niice one Sir Richard. War in Iraq exarcerbating our problems around the world, planning after the war was poor based on optimism, we should get out soon.

Teacher Suspended For Wearing Veil Friday October 13, 11:54 AM

A Muslim teaching assistant has been suspended for refusing to remove her veil in the classroom. Aishah Azmi was given permission to wear the item in corridors and the school staff room but told to take it off when in class.

Education officials say pupils - many of whom speak English as a second language - struggled to understand the 24-year-old.

It did not help that they could not see her mouth move.

But Miss Azmi insisted on keeping the veil down and is now taking her employers

to an industrial tribunal.

A spokesman for Kirklees Council said: "I can confirm she has been suspended.

"The matter has gone before an employment tribunal and we are waiting for the result. It would be inappropriate to comment further."

It is understood Miss Azmi worked as a bilingual support worker at Headfield Church of England junior school in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire.

The school has 529 pupils and face-to-face contact is considered essential.

A council source told the Daily Mirror that children had complained about the veil.

Muslim leaders said Miss Azmi did not have to wear a veil in the presence of young children, or even a headscarf.

Yes scrooge job done in Iraq, maybe Iran next, divide and conquer seems to be working in Iraq..........

Life is change. The number 13, and this day Friday the 13th reminds us of this fact.
Good old boys those masons!



However, few people realize that this day is considered an ill omen because of currencies and economics. Friday the 13th became famous for bad luck because of the Knights Templar.



An article in the Scotsman entitled “Knights Templar” by Diane Maclean explains this when it says:



The Knights Templar were a monastic military order formed during the 12th century European crusades to the Holy Land .



They were gifted land by pious aristocrats to finance their rapidly growing order. Their wealth grew as they developed commercial interests in mines, quarries and vineyards. They had a fleet that outshone the largest state. But what the Knights Templar did most was build. The classic round Templar church, founded on octagonal geometry, is still regarded as the most obvious example of their building, but many observers see Templar influence in the vast gothic outpouring that occurred throughout the next hundred years.



They set the gold and silver standard for coin weight, and introduced the "note of hand" – a kind of 12th century credit card. Christians at the time were not allowed to charge interest on money, but the Templars got round this by charging "rent". The order quickly became the richest bankers in Europe, lending to kings, princes and influential people across Europe .



King Philip IV of France (1268-1314) was one monarch among many who was heavily in debt to the Knights Templar. The death of the Pope gave the King an opportunity to bribe the incoming Catholic leader and initiate enquiries against the order. They were charged with heresy and on a Friday the 13th, in October 1307, Jacques de Molay, the Grand Master of the Knights Templar, and 60 of his senior knights were arrested in Paris . Across Europe thousands of Knights Templar were taken into custody. But when King Philip raided the Templar treasure house he found it empty and the fleet gone from Larochelle. You can read this article at http://heritage.scotsman.com/timelines.cfm?cid=1&id=41752005

Tweetiebird brain, read and learn!

The underground nuclear explosion North Korea carried out early Monday, Oct. 9, confronts US president George W. Bush with one problem that has run out of control and another, Irans nuclear program, which soon will.

The European-Russian-Chinese insistence on diplomacy with Iran no sanctions, no military action is close to reaching the same dead end as did the talks with North Korea conducted by the US, Japan, China, Russia and South Korea. The negotiators who condemn North Korea today were deaf to Kim Jong Ils assertions of intent. He used the time fruitfully to drive forward to target. Iran is not there yet - but Tehran is using the current climate of international passivity to race ahead to the point of no return.

As recently as late July, when North Korea tested its nuclear-capable Taepodong ballistic missiles which can reach Alaska, the Bush administration warned Pyongyang not to fire any more, else the American navy would be ordered to intercept them.

Washingtons response went no further than words.

China and Russia did their utmost to hold the United States back from a strong reaction including a military option to the Korean nuclear program, exactly as they are doing in Irans case. They have been successful. To further anesthetize Western concerns, intelligence sources in Moscow leaked word to the Western media Sunday, one day before the actual test, that Pyongyangs nuclear test was three months away and its announcement could be dismissed as a mere device to buy time.

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1218

The new head of our army has it right surely ... our armed forces have been given too much to do and also treated disgracefully .... Blair is so stupid that he can't see the world leaders are only interested in their OWN countries, the size of the armies of possible opponents, and are very happy to let him strutt harmlessly around.

Has anyone in our govt considered the size of the garrison actually in the UK at any given time and the fact that there are 2 million apparently hostile muslims in situ ..

.. Someone please tell me I'm off my rocker. Tipton

"Blair is so stupid that he can't see the world leaders are only interested in their OWN countries".

Wrong. I think Blair is so vain that he is only interested in himself and his own legacy.

Way back there was discourse about suicide bombers and it started me "thinking".

Are those who send the bombers on their "missions" any more despicable than the those who lie their way into wars and then send the sons of daughters of others into wars in Afghanistan and Iraq without exposing themselves or families to similar dangers?

And even then not having the decency to admit they lied and are incompetent and resign.

Queens shilling my son, when you take that you send yourself! Big plan is working keeping those islamic ragheads busy fighting amongst themselves........

The Real 2006
'Iraq Body Count'

Iraqi civilians killed this year by ISLAMIC Terrorists
10,349

Iraqi civilians killed collaterally by Americans
71*


Current: Muslim extremists in Iraq kidnapped a Christian priest and cut off his head on Wednesday. The Religion of Peace also crucified a 14-year-old boy. Meanwhile, CAIR's top concern is that a Florida preacher has called Islam a "dangerous religion."

Current: The Salem witch trials have been brought up to us twice this week by those attempting to reduce other religions to Islam (in this case, Christianity). In our opinion, the mere fact that one has to reach back over 300 years to find an event in which less than twenty innocents lost their lives to Christian fanaticism would appear to mitigate the point.

Islamic terrorists killed twice as many people each day for the last three months on average than were murdered at Salem in 1692. We aren't aware of any Biblical mandate to kill witches, although there are plenty of Qur'anic exhortations to kill unbelievers... and, unfortunately, plenty of people who take them literally.

Fred....... I stand corrected you are absolutely right Blair is only interested in himself, he actually seems to think he will be remembered as a great statesman!

I feel sorry for BLAIR.
I think He honestly believed he was acting in best interests of Iraqi people.
Unfortunately we went to war on a myth (WMD's) - that did'nt exist.
We had no exit stratergy and we were partnered with the USA, who historically have a habit of jumping in wityh their eyes shut , guns abazings and gobs in overdrive.
Mr Bush has tried ineptly to link Al-qaeda to IRAQ in almost every speech he has done and has tried his best to convince the american people that the SADDAM regime was somehow linked to 9-11. Unfortunately he's come unstuck and we are now paying a very heavy price for his administrations incompetance.
We should have gone into AFGANISTAN with more resources and kicked shit/reformed country completely before moving on , not tried a half arsed attempt at boosting his koudos back home by finishing work started by his daddy.
Now what do we do?
What about N KOREA?
What about IRAN?
We are/have been F@@KED.
Guess the advice he got from GOD was flawed.

Mr Bush has tried ineptly to link Al-qaeda to IRAQ...........LOL

Back to the prayer mat for you tweetie!

When you walk through a bad neighborhood, you don't want a poodle by your side. You want a Rottweiler." Go on George and Tony........

O you who believe! Fasting is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you, that you may become pious

Out for some din dins with Sharma, she will be dining on Black sausage pudding esta noche......

Barwoni, One of the things I am very grateful for, is that I am not your son!

Behave grandad, no need to get abusive with me because you live in the midlands.....Cesspit....

No one of you is a true believer until he likes for his brother what he likes for himself

Barwoni, again you seem to be on dangerous ground.
Keep on digging.

Bawoni. please feel free to divulge a link between Al Q and Iraq pre 9-11 or at time of 9-11.

as for getting on my mat...... You obviously don't pay much attention to other peoples posts, I don't believe in A GOD. I'll leave that to narrow minded biggots like yourself, who feel it necessary to blame others for the evil that men do. There ain't no allah, jehovah, buddah,god , jesus or holy ghost.
So crawl back into your god bothering masonic haven in whatever 3'rd world hovel you call home.
;-)))))

Minister says veil teacher should be sacked Sunday October 15, 11:26 AM

LONDON (Reuters) - The minister responsible for race and faith called on Sunday for a Muslim teaching assistant suspended for wearing a veil to be sacked, entering a growing row over integration.

Minister for Local Government and Community Cohesion Phil Woolas told the Sunday Mirror that 24-year-old Aishah Azmi's decision to wear a veil while teaching made it impossible for her to perform her duties.


"She should be sacked. She has put herself in a position where she can't do her job," he said.

Death toll in Iraq is shocking, staggering
October 15, 2006 LA TIMES


Re "Study Puts War's Iraqi Death Tally at More Than 600,000," Oct. 11

I read with shock your report on the new Lancet study finding of more than 600,000 deaths since the Iraq invasion, and it motivated me to review the complete study. This was a scientific, peer-reviewed epidemiological study published in one of the world's most prestigious medical journals. The authors followed the same methodology that has been used to provide unchallenged estimates of deaths in other conflicts, such as the Congo.

It is puzzling, therefore, that the writer reports unsubstantiated challenges to the methodology. That President Bush and the purveyors of the Iraq war strive to provide a spin that denies the extent of civilian casualties is not surprising, but it has no bearing on the study's scientific validity. That the findings are inconvenient for Bush does not make them inaccurate. The administration has famously stated that it doesn't count civilian casualties.



Bush acknowledged that Iraq had nothing to do with the events of 9/11; we also must acknowledge that not one of the more than 600,000 people who have been killed in Iraq had anything to do with the 9/11 events.

The scale of needless suffering the U.S. invasion has brought on the people of Iraq defies the imagination. Is it any surprise that the vast majority of the Iraqi people want us to leave?

CURREN WARF MD

Board Member

Physicians for Social Responsibility

Los Angeles


So please Bawoni, link Iraq to any terrorist outrage against the west.
If all the preseidents men can't do it.........
Oh i'm sorry, I forgot your only interested in muslim bashing.:-)

Oh i'm sorry, I forgot your only interested in muslim bashing.:-)

extermination!